Enlighten Me

Ferny Unfiltered The Podcast S3 Ep1

Tue, 08 Sep 2020 02:23:15 GMT

Season 3 Ep: 1 The Soul Mate and Twin Flame Myth

What’s it about?

Ferny and Michel Roy chat through the soul mate and twin flame myth. They touch on relationships, shifting your energy, getting over toxic relationships and what those relationships tell us about ourselves. Sit back and take a personal look at relationships of the past to prepare for a stronger relationship with yourself. Also, catch some highlights from Instagram Live Readings of the week.

Prime listening

00.00.24 Is a soul mate or twin flame a real thing?

00.03.15 The concept of a soul mate

00.05.35 Setting yourself up for failure

00.08.39 Relationships as learning Experiences

00.13.31 Shifting your Energy

00.15.38 E-Readings

00.17.23 How you get over the toxic relationship

00.20.50 What toxic relationships tell us about ourselves

00.29.02 What is takes to have a long-term relationship

00.33.19 Instagram Live Reading 1 Missing Uncle

00.42.14 Instagram Live Reading 2 Connection with Grandparents

00.50.22 Instagram Live Reading 3 Connection with Dad

00.57.40 Instagram Live Reading 4 Connection with Mom

Michel Roy

Michel is a Creative Consultant from Houston, TX who specializes in assisting creatives with adjusting their mindset and completing projects. As a podcaster since 2016 she has had to practice the art of pivoting many times and has come to understand the importance of accepting divinity within herself and others. This realization led her to revamp her single podcast into a network of shows that help others recognize their own power and the need for each individual to connect to source in their own way. She offers personalized coaching for creatives as well as one on one consulting at www.mscreativeaf.com

and free resources for growth via her podcast network at

www.betweenusgirlspodcast.com

Michel’s Links

Websites: www.mscreativeaf.com and www.betweenusgirlspodcast.com

Instragram: www.instagram.com/jehosba

Full Transcript of episode

Ferny [00:00:04] So earlier this week, you had made a comment and I was like, oh, I want to talk about this on Saturday because a lot of people have this idea about soul mates and twin flames. So. So tell me what you were thinking. Because I know I went on Instagram and I kind of, like, blew you. What you said is I blew it up. I blew up the theory of the idea behind Soul Mates and Twin Flames.

Michel [00:00:28] So I want to know, like I want to talk about it more because so many psychics, so many spiritual people, like, you know, I mean, all the girl groups and like that's like really one of the main things that they talk about. Just, freakin where is my soul twin where is my twin flame in this life, I mean, it it a thing?

Ferny [00:00:51] Yeah, well, like the way the way that I feel about that, because I totally bought into the whole soul mate and twin flame thing as well, like when I was in my teens and my 20s, I was like, oh my God, where's my soul mate? Or where's my twin flame? And the word twin flame was kind of a bounce off from the idea of soul mates because people got on the soulmate bandwagon and then after that kind of, you know, like people got tired of that, then they kind of moved over to the twin flame, which is another like it's a rebranding of it. Here's the thing. I feel like it's utter bullshit, utter bullshit in the way that most people understand it. And what I mean by that is in the world, in the universe, in the world, when you come into life, there is the opportunity to connect with others in a way where there really is this like sync up that happens here and you will have a unlimited opportunities like that. But most people don't see that. Most people don't understand that. Most people think that there's only one other person in the universe I'm supposed to be with, and I'm supposed to be with that person for all eternity. Or there is just one person in the world that I meant that is going to be a good fit for me. Everybody else is trash, right? And I'm like, no, you're you're first of all, you're setting yourself up for failure. Secondly, you're basically telling the universe that if this person is imperfect or fit within this certain, like, spectrum walks or scheme, it's not going to serve me and I'm not going to go for it. And so that tends to be the case. And so, what I tell people is if you really want to connect with someone or have that bond with others, you need to see yourself as having unlimited potential. There’re unlimited people out there. And I think now with social media and how we can connect with people around the world, it's even more of a reality for us now because we can connect with people. We don't have to be in the same like general area or vicinity. And now with Covid, it it's even more of a reality for people to meet online because they can't really meet in person if they're in lockdown. So, it just depends on the situation. But in the in the world, for example, let's use myself as an example. I have hundreds, if not thousands of potential, quote unquote, soulmates or twin flames that I can connect with here. And it's just a unique energy that is spec on it from a spectrum. It's on the same wavelength as me. So, we kind of link up or sink in that way. The concept of a soulmate, though, and I think this is where people get confused, is the idea that my soul is supposed to be married or have this like other person that's like the other part of myself. So that's where people think of like twin flame or my other half or whatever. The fact that you have to think of yourself as like an incomplete person or a half of anything is bullshit because you're not a half of a person. You're not an incomplete person. You're exactly who you're supposed to be. You're exactly what you're supposed to be right now. And so, you're not supposed you're not supposed to think yourself as half of a person because you're exactly how you should be in this world and in this reality. Our soul is a higher part of ourself. It's like a higher aspect of our nature. So, for me, for example, I'm Spirit, I'm Ferny, my spirit is Ferny, that's I'm in this physical body, etc. When I die, the spirit Ferny will reabsorb back into the soul and the soul we call that the cloud. It's the part of us that collects all of the data, all of the information from all the different lifetimes that we've lived. So that soul is a being unto itself and it is much grander and bigger than Ferny. So when we think of the idea of a soulmate, there are other souls whose vibration is similar to ours in that, there are certain things that we are we are both working on and working towards from this physical plane of existence and when we're down here, my soul, my soul coming through me, which is Ferny I can connect with someone else is linked up to their soul and our souls are on the same wavelength. So, we have something that is pulling us together, but usually that tends to be because we're learning things from each other or we have experiences that we can give each other. And so, we're always going to feel pulled to those people that are going to give us the opportunities to express and to understand and to grow and to evolve. That doesn't mean it's gonna be a positive experience or a negative experience. It just means that it's gonna be an opportunity to grow on this level. If you want to line up with someone who is a good fit or good match for you. That has more to do with energy and vibration and like what you're trying to link up with, what you're trying to synch up to. Twin flame is the same concept of the soul mate. It's just rebranded and repurposed.

Michel [00:05:27] So pretty much you don't need to continue to focus on finding your soul mate.

Ferny [00:05:32] Right. These people, these people who are like, I'm going to say no to anybody and everybody that is not my soulmate. They're setting themselves up for failure there. It's almost like it reminds you of the old adage, like you're you're in your house. It's flooding. You get on top of your roof and use. You Houston folks can, you know, understand this. So, yes, it's flooding. You get on the top of your roof. You're waiting, you're asking God, God, send me the thing that's going to save me, saying send me my save me my perfect boat. It has to be a ship. It has to have all of these luxurious things. It has to be perfect. Send me this perfect ship to save me from this flood. And so, a guy in a raft goes by and, hey, do you need some help? No, I thank you, God's got me. I'm waiting for the perfect ship. I'm waiting for my soulmate. Right. And so, then they go by and then there's another person and they're in a rowboat. Hey, you need some help. You look like you need. Yeah. Yeah. You're boats kinda dinghy. I don't really trust it. So, I'm gonna, like, let you go. And then someone comes along in a speed boat and he's got an engine and you're like, yeah, that's not the cruise ship, just not the luxurious thing I was expecting. This is not the perfect thing, you know. And then that goes by and then people are like, God, why have you just abandoned me? I've never had anybody come into my life and I'm alone for the rest of my life. Girl, you have like three options. And even though they weren't all perfect options, they would have done something for you on a soul level, on a spiritual level, you would have gained from that experience. And everyone is an opportunity to level it up. I mean, even if I would have jumped into that, you know, tire that floaty with with that guy who was on that little inflatable raft, I mean, that's something, right? That's an opportunity to, like, get out of where I was stuck in. And so, he can probably take me over to somebody else's house who had a nicer boat with an engine and then I would have been able to off that. And the people I was like, I don't want to waste my time. I don't want to date someone and waste my time if it's not going to be the perfect relationship, are going to lead to a lifelong relationship. And I'm just like, what the hell kind of a reality are you living in? Like. How do you think you're going to learn what a real relationship should look like? How do you think you're going to learn unless you have pet parents who exemplified the ideal relationship, which most of us haven’t? How the hell you think you're going to learn what is appropriate and what is healthy in a relationship and what isn't? Right.

Michel [00:07:50] So you want.

Ferny [00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:51] I feel like that's what you don't have that same. Oh no, no. Because I'm like never really being specific and honest with myself. Is that I really, really do care.

Ferny [00:08:03] Right.

Michel [00:08:04] Because I keep trying to hook up to these standards of society that says you can do it. You're all right. You don't need this. You know, maybe I don't need that. But what I desire is this. And I have to be able to accept that in myself because I think a lot of us are looking for specifically what society told us to do. And we don't know who we are.

Ferny [00:08:24] Right.

Michel [00:08:25] So then we're looking for somebody's ego instead of what we really, really desire. So, it's a lot chile.

Ferny [00:08:32] Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I, I choose to see every relationship as a learning experience. And even if it doesn't work out, you're going to learn something about yourself. You're going to learn about what your limits are, what you are able to do, what you're not able to do. You know, you're gonna learn who you're not and then learn who you are. I before like, I before my current partner because my partner and I've been together for about like 12 years. Or we're going into twelve years now. But before this relationship, I was in a really toxic and just dra, oh like overly drama, dramatic relationship with my ex. And that was four years of just craziness, before that relationship there had been several, several people, several guys that had come along who were pretty incredible. And I just didn't see it because I was under the impression that I was supposed to end up with someone who's supposed to be the perfect fit for me or the perfect thing that I would be, you know, desiring or whatever. And I met plenty of guys who were really great guys, but I didn't see the value in them. I didn't see the worth. I didn't see what I could do to benefit from that. So, I always had, like, a checklist of like, well, you don't have this, or your pigeon toed I can't date you or like the stupidest superficial reasons for not evolving it into a relationship that could be something beautiful. So, I had all these weird issues and hiccups and stuff. Then I got with my ex and that changed everything because in that relationship I learned who I wasn’t, and I had to like figure myself out and figure out who I was and how I was contributing to that toxic relationship. Once I got out of that, I was more than ready for any of the guys that I had dated previously. Like, I was like, oh, I'm like, y'all are like Kool-Aid compared to this person that I was with. That's just dirty water, you know. And when you're thirsty, you drink. you drink the dirty water when your thirsty but that doesn't mean you should spend the rest of your life drinking dirty water. And that's how I felt. And so after that relationship ended, I was more than ready and prepared for something that was definitely on a whole nother level, and then I met my partner and that just like took off really quickly and it is still I mean, I am grateful because I feel when I see other people in their relationships and like even. I mean, every relationship has issues. Every relationship has things that it should it can work on to improve on. But with my partner, it's like no you're great, you’re a catch. Like, regardless, you're still the catch to me. So, I don't need to mess with that and so I think for people, they need to understand that sometimes you think you know what you want until you experience what you don't want. And then that should teach you and help you to understand what you really, really are needing instead of what you thought was important. So that's why I tell people, even if you're just going to date, it's not a waste your time. Let it help you to figure some things out and then you will line up with something that it will be will be a good fit for you. But don't go around thinking that I'm supposed to have the soulmate or this one person that's perfect for me and the universe is, you know, God is punishing me because I haven't met this one person. Well, are you a crappy person yourself? Do you have issues with your attitude? Do you have a negative mindset? Do you need to look at yourself and how you've contributed to these relationships? Because when it comes down to it, a lot of people like to demonize the ex or the person that didn't work out with because maybe that person decided, you know what, you're a mess. I don't want to have nothing to do with you, bye. And then they leave the relationship and people want to instead, they went up, like, demonized that person, like that persons off or they're horrible or they're evil and they use me, and they treated me badly, I'm like baby girl. Look at yourself because you basically just said, I'm not responsible for the relationships or who I am in relationships. They are and they left me so they're wrong and they're evil and they're bad. And I'm just like, okay, girl. Like, I'm I need you to get a reality check real soon because you're contributing to your own issues, your own problems, and you're not taking responsibility for that. If you want a healthy relationship, if you want a good connection, then offer it. If you can't offer it then shut your mouth and prepare to be alone for the rest of your life or settle down for the toxic relationship that you can only get because that's what you're going to end up with, you know.

Michel [00:12:27] Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's really an important part I think of clearing yourself and getting yourself ready for a relationship is recognizing, he lives in you.

Ferny [00:12:35] Yeah.

Michel [00:12:36] I can't keep saying, well ugh, these people keep showing up, you know, they're attracted to. Yeah. I mean like.

Ferny [00:12:42] Yeah.

Michel [00:12:44] It's like.

Ferny [00:12:45] Yeah.

Michel [00:12:46] Out of alignment. Well I mean. I mean people need to really respect that and say, okay, well maybe I need to spend some time with myself. To find out what I need to fix.

Ferny [00:12:56] Yeah.

Michel [00:12:56] Know what I mean, where I'm suffering or where I'm, like cause I know for me my self-esteem has not always been where it needs to be.

Ferny [00:13:04] Right.

Michel [00:13:05] So of course I'm like, yes, you. They're down there come up here to me, you know what I'm saying?

Ferny [00:13:12] Yeah.

Michel [00:13:14] So I just need to like, you know, it's been myself. I think it's important that we remember that, acknowledge it and respect it. And like you said, stop blaming everything on a shitty partner.

Ferny [00:13:25] Well, you know, I. Another thing about it is that when you do shift energy like people recognize and notice it. I think when I first started learning how to love myself, authentically loving myself, I'm not talking about like, oh, look, you're so cute. Oh, look, you're so beautiful. Oh, look. Look at you, Ferny you're like, not that's not what I'm talking about when I say learning to love yourself. That's a superficial love is not authentic. I mean, there's nothing wrong with like, ooh wow, I look great. You know, there's nothing wrong with that. But authentic love. You don't have to constantly tell yourself that you're this or that. You just feel love for yourself and you're going to do whatever you have to do to take care of yourself, to protect yourself, and to provide yourself with nurturing experiences and surrounding yourself with people that are only going to be authentic or at least show up, you know. And yes, granted, we all have situations where we have to deal with family and not everybody that we deal with in family is, you know, a great person. And it's not the easiest to deal with. But still, like when you authentically love yourself. All of a sudden something shifts inside of you, something energetically moves. And what tends to happen is you start to see people coming to you or approaching you or being drawn to you who just naturally want to love you and naturally want to feel that love and they feel it from you and they want to give it back as well. So, I think today, growing up into the, as a young gay guy, like I was constantly trying to feel like I was worthy, or I was attractive or whatever. Now I'm like now I'm just I'm just me and take it or leave it. I love you all. I'm going to give you the very best of me that I can give you. But I'm going to probably disappoint you at some point. I'm probably piss you off at some point, but I still love you and I'm still gonna give you what I want and what I need to give you. But now people like they just they just come up with the show up with love. And I even just like when I get on an appointment with a client and the first person that I see, like, there's just this I like immediately I already know I love you, like I love you and I'm here to love you. I'm not here to hurt you and you can feel that energy like coming back from them. And so, when you get used to that, all of a sudden, the people around you in everyday experiences, you just start to encounter more people like that.

Ferny [00:15:27] So I had a really good e-reading, e-reading question this week. One of my the e-reading people, so people like whenever like for people don't know what an e-reading is, people who want a reading, but they don't have time to wait for me to have an opening for the appointment or they want to just ask me and they want to short like return. They can do an e-reading which is like 70. You get your answer back in 72 hours. But with the e-reading people can ask me all kinds of questions and some people ask some really great questions sometimes. And one of the questions that I got this week was someone who said, how can I cope and move on from a really bad relationship or toxic relationship? And that's a really good question, because a lot of people get stuck in old energy and they they get stuck on somebody and they can't move forward. Like I know people who have been, like, stuck on someone for 15, 20 years. And they're like, Ferny, is this person going to come back into my life? I'm like, baby girl it has been fifteen to twenty years. You need to move on because you had a taste of something. Like it's almost like I walked into the Costco. The lady was out with her samples and I had this little piece of chocolate that she was like sample sampling out and oh my God, it was the best piece of chocolate I ever had. But it's just like one little bite it wasn't like a whole meal and so ever since then, that person has been stuck on that one piece of chocolate. And so, they're the rest of their lives they're walking around, "When am I going to get, like, something delicious, like that piece of chocolate?" But they're stuck in that one piece. I'm like with you already. You you absorb that. You gobbled it up. You had the experience you were supposed to have with that and so they're stuck on those relationships and they don't know how to move forward and move past it. And what I say is, well, first let me ask you, because, I mean, you just you recently went through a little bit of a split with somebody and what has been helping you, like, work through that?

Michel [00:17:13] My music. I play songs that remind me that I'm that bitch, you know what I mean, like for me at all every time I break up, was always like, I'm terrible. Nobody will like me. Nobody will ever love me, blah, blah, blah. I don't have time for that shit. So, I'm like, hey, so how do I keep myself moving forward? Because, I mean, I'm allowed to feel feelings and to have sat there because we spent time together.

Ferny [00:17:45] Yeah.

Michel [00:17:45] You know, there was bonding, but I have to also recognize the trauma in that bond. So, what were we bonding over? What were we healing? What were we doing? What work were we taking part in? So, you know, self-reflection and self-acceptance, self-love. And, you know, just really realizing that, like, I probably need to spend some time on myself. I have like twelve thousand balls in the air I'm trying to juggle. You know what I mean. Oh.

Ferny [00:18:13] Yeah.

Michel [00:18:14] Get myself on the level and balance it so that the next time somebody comes, there's no wobble for me.

Ferny [00:18:22] Yeah. I think, I think for me what helped me out of the toxic relationship. I actually just started jogging and using music and what I would do in my my approach was more like spiritual visual, because I really believe in the power of visualization with music. You know, a lot of people who they practice like law of attraction or manifestation, they just focus on like visualizing like I'm gonna visualize that car and it's going to like come it’s going to come to me. I'm like, okay, good luck, girl, you know? But for me, that visualization with music is what really helps me to move forward and to thrust myself forward. I think like I was obsessed with Kelly Clarkson when I ended that that toxic relationship because she had just come out with that that album and it, there was a lot of good songs on there, and I think one of them was something to do with being toxic or something like that. Anyways, I will get in my car. I would drive to my first job, which was at that time I was working at a doctor's office, at a podiatrist office. And so, I would drive to work, and I would listen to that Kelly Clarkson album and I would cry the entire way to work because I just felt just empty and alone and rejected and I didn't know the value of my own worth. I didn't know that my own worth and value. So, I felt the emptiness inside, and people tend to use relationships to fill them up because they don't know how to fill themselves up and so that's what I had used that relationship as, as a way to fill myself up. So, when it was gone, I felt completely devoid and like something was missing in my life and so I would go and drive to work and I'd listen to Kelly Clarkson. And then I'd get into work, dry my tears, walk in there. Hey y'all. Hey, everybody. You know, be Ferny for whatever had to be for that day. Get done with work. Jump in my car. Drive over to my second job, which was with Starbucks at the time and so I would cry all the way to my second job and then I would get into the parking lot, dry my eyes, pull it together, and then I'd go and get in and start working at Starbucks and making lattes and stuff. So that's pretty much what I did to get through that in the for the first two or three weeks and that's not a bad way to deal with it. But then once you get past that, the immediate loss and the immediate pain, you have to deal with what that brought up within you. And.

Michel [00:20:33] Yeah

Ferny [00:20:34] Most of us don't realize that relationships bring up a lot within us. And for me, the person the person that I was with represented my father, who I never knew, my father, my mother had me out of wedlock cause he was married and she was his mistress. So, I never knew my father. He wanted her to have an abortion and she said no, because she was Catholic, Mexican. His Mexican Catholics are they don't do that. But. So, I never met my father and then the stepfather that came into my life several years later was very abusive and so that just beat my ego in my my sense of self and value down even more. And then when that situation ended and then I continue to be bullied in school because I was gay or because of this or because of that. Oh, your effeminate or you you talk like this or whatever. So, I had to deal with all these male rejection scenarios where they were treating me like crap or abusing me or whatever. And then I was also molested as well as a child. So, you add all of that in and they can do a real number on you. So when I got into that relationship, this person was the same background as my stepfather, who was very abusive, and this person also had, he even though he embodied a sense of dominance and control, it wasn't like dominance and control, like I got your back and I'm going to I've got this. Like, don't worry, I got this. It was more like; you need to do what I want you to do. This is, he always has to say this thing. He says, "I am I am the head. You are the neck. I call the shots. You turn me in the direction you think you want me to go. But I'm the one that's at the top." And so that was always his saying and so for me, it was like, okay, but I got used to that because I was I was raised and conditioned into that growing up. So, it was a really hard relationship to work through and it was a lot of toxicity that I worked through. But it brought up all this stuff within me that I didn't even realize I was holding on to and it made me face it. And so instead of feeding into more abuse, more self-worth issues, more of that, instead of feeding into that, I was like, you know what, motherfuckers? All y'all, all y'all in my past, all of you include starting from my ex, going all the way back to my father, all of you motherfuckers. Y'all didn't believe in me. Y'all didn't think I would be anything. Y'all acted like I was nothing and I was trash. Let me fucking show you what I can do and so that was my mindset. And so, at that point I was like, all right, motherfuckers. Like, I'm gonna show y'all. I'm gonna show y'all who I am and what I'm capable of, because no one here believes that I can be something. So, let me just show you what I can be and then I busted my ass and moved forward. But it really did. It was a mental shift and I used that one experience to kind of thrust myself in another direction. I could have easily gone into the victim, into the victim, state, cause that's what we all tend to do. Right? We're like, I'm the victim. I'm the one that the universe is picking on. I'm the one that has been, you know, abused and treated this way and I have no control and no power and it's just all coming down on me. And I was tired of that because I'd been that for so long in my life and so I was like, no, I'm gonna take this in another direction. That's what I did, and I would go jogging in the park and I would listen to some of my favorite music, like Adele, like Adele's Hello, I think was coming out at that time. And so, I would imagine. Yes. Yes. It's like I would jog, and I would be jogging and be listen to my music. And I would imagine that my heart would open up and inside of my heart was this darkness that was there from all of these relationships with males across the board. And what I would do is I would jog, and I would see that darkness in my heart, and I would envision or visualize it starting to come away from my heart and this black darkness is coming and coming, coming. And I would just release it and let it go up and I would imagine, like the light of God coming down to me and raising that out of me. And I would just envision it raising it out of me and then I would just send it back. I'm like, here you go, you go send it to whoever created this within me. I'm sending it back to where it came from and so I would listen to this music hello from the other side. And like, because I am on the other side and I'm not going to be up in there with y'all. I'm a be up on the other side. And that's what I did. And I did that every single day for like sixty days and at the end of that 60-day period, first of all, I had lost like 50 pounds. So that was a great, great way to do it because I was doing it like once, twice a day ever every day, because it was it was therapy for me, just even walking in the park and listening to it. The visualization is helpful. And so, I did that and then, so I lost all that weight. So, I felt I felt even better about myself because not only did I start to feel lighter and like I was releasing something, but I also had an incredible like I had a new body and was like, oh, my God. Like, I feel great about myself. I was getting attention again. So that was fueling some of that self-worth value, but I was already building it from within and so as time went on, I didn't feel angry anymore and I wasn't mad. And I wasn't like, I actually got to a point where I was grateful for the experiences because every one of those taught me something. And it taught me who I wasn’t, and it taught me what I needed to do in certain situations to protect myself, which I love myself more than the other person was able to love me. Because sometimes when you're in a relationship, if someone doesn't know how to love you, then set the example and show them how to love you by loving yourself the way you need to be loved. And use that example now by saying, look, you're not treating me the way you should and you're responsible for the crap in this relationship and you're the reason why this relationship isn't working. No, no, no. Just treat yourself the way you would like to be treated and hold that to the hold that to the standard and show them the example of how they should treat you because they might actually rise to the occasion and become that if they don't, then they don't. But at least you are in the face of it, not transforming yourself to accommodate that person's bullshit.

Michel [00:26:23] Right. I mean, so essentially that means sometimes you have to walk away. If that relationship isn't working for you?

Ferny [00:26:31] Yeah.

Michel [00:26:31] You know, because really, you're the only person that can protect you from anything, you know, and if you don't love yourself, which is what we're all really working through because we all had a trauma. You know, that has kind of put us in that spot at some point.

Ferny [00:26:46] Right.

Michel [00:26:46] Like you have to you, you have to decide that you're going to be your own hero.

Ferny [00:26:52] Right.

Michel [00:26:52] You know, you have to. And I think that's just where I'm at right now is like, you know, I have to say this works for me. This doesn't work for me. And, you know if something, doesn't, like, I can't be worried about whether or not I'm going to make an enemy out of it, like, OK, sorry, you know, like this.

Ferny [00:27:12] But it takes practice because it's easier said than done. And I mean, this is something I had to learn through experience because you can read a book. But when you're in the moment and you're dealing with the pain, people just immediately surrender into the pain and they get stuck in that and they don't know how to overcome the pain because all they're trying to do is just stop the pain. And so, people's immediate reaction is, what can I do to stop the pain? Well, I'm feeling pain because this person's not in my life. Let me get back with that person or make that work so I don't have to feel the pain and what I would say is make peace with the pain and learn to love your pain, because once you get past that initial period of discomfort and loss, you're going to start to examine some things and see some things in a very different way. And then that will help you to rise to the occasion of what the universe is calling of you in the moment by just giving you this experience to begin with.

Michel [00:28:00] Right. OK. Drop the bomb. You’re so right and yesterday I was listening to Esther Abraham, I'm obsessed with her first of all, but just listening to her talk about relationships, it's like they're supposed to be temporary. You guys, it's not supposed to be like, OK. This is my forever lover. Like, that's fine in fantasy, I think most of the time. But if you're constantly changing, you cannot expect everybody that you're always with to stay with you because if they can't vibe with you it will break apart.

Ferny [00:28:35] Yeah.

Michel [00:28:36] You know it won't last.

Ferny [00:28:38] Right.

Michel [00:28:38] People don't rise. You rise. You can't go together. You know?

Ferny [00:28:42] Yeah. Exactly. Why not? I don't. I don't know a lot of couples who have been married for as long as like 40, 50, 60 years who did not go through trials of their own, who you know, there are very few of those where they didn't have any issues. Every time you talk to those people, you get to know those people. Something happens at some point and they had to work through it. They had to really push through the issue or the challenges. So, people think like and that's the wording of the way that people word their questions. Ferny, when am I going to get married and finally be happy? Oh, my baby girl like, if you think that happiness is coming from a relationship, you are going to be sorely disappointed because it is not someone else's responsibility to make you happy. You need to learn what happiness is without needing somebody to make that happen for you. So, when you do find someone that you match up with or do well with, then at least you can share the happiness with them, and they can also share their happiness with you. But if you're like in with somebody and you're like, you know, when are they going to make me happier? Am I going to finally be happy? I'm just like, you know, well first of all this is planet Earth. We came here to struggle as humans. It's part of the experience of being a spirit in a human physical environment. But you can find real love. You can find authentic love. You can find love that will last a long time and probably the remainder of your life. But you have to make sure that you understand what that includes and what comes along with that. You know, it's like I want to have children and be a perfect mom. I go, okay. But, you know, you're going to have a lot of sleepless nights. You know, your children are gonna make you crazy. You know that something, something is gonna happen when you give them birth and it ain't going to be fun to go through that. Right. And if you know any women who have had fun giving birth, you let me know because I want to interview them. But, you know, it's painful. It's a painful experience. But something beautiful is created from a painful experience. In relationships is the same thing you're gonna go through painful experiences, but something beautiful can come from that if you're committed to it and if both people are on the same page, if one person isn't, let them go, let them go, because at least you know what to recognize and some of those signs that they may have been showing you that you refuse to see because you were so in love with the idea of what y'all could have together instead of actually working together to create something together. You know, it's almost like, oh, ferny, no, no, I ain't got time to be wasting with people. Like this is what I wanted to do when I'm thirty-one. And then when I'm thirty five, I wanted to have the perfect twins and I'm just like, OK, well you're probably not going to be happy in your relationships and you're probably going to be very disappointed because you're completely living in a bubble of in reality and you got to get realistic. You know who I blame for this? I blame the Notebook. I blame, I blame the Notebook. I blame Michelle and Barack because they seem to have a power couple per, you know, relationship and not everybody's relationship can be like Michelle and Barack. You know, some people got Oprah and Steadman relationships where they don't get married, but they're together forever and they love each other. Some people, you know, some people have relationships where, you know, it's really not the healthiest situation and but they end up sticking it out anyways. I have a cousin and he and his wife, they got together when they were teenagers and they were I mean, they it was a crazy ass relationship. She tried to run him over once and, you know, he you know, he broke his legs. I mean, the crazy relationship. But they're still together to this day and I can honestly say that they love each other because they were young and they didn't know what was healthy and what wasn't and they kind of had to learn over time what was healthy, what wasn't. But they were both so committed to sticking it out with each other and they stayed together. That's not what I would suggest people do. I don't think y'all should run each other over to learn lessons. I think that, you know, you can, you know, be healthy and you can, like, put a stop to certain things and I almost think they should've broken up a long time ago. But today they're in a different place. But they stuck it out and they worked through stuff. But a lot of these couples, they've been together for 40, 50 years. They worked through their shit and that's what really helps them. But they're realistic and once they think people when they go into the relationship, they have an idea of what it should be like and then they reality hits and they're like, oh, now I have to decide if I want a real relationship or if I want the ideal because this person isn't the ideal. Right.

Michel [00:32:50] I mean, and real relationships take work. Like, you can't always just have fun. You know, like if you're talking about being together and like, really growing and building something, then prepare to pull some weight, you know, like somebody scratch on both sides. And if you're saying what you want is love and as long as it's not outside of your boundaries, then if you're resisting it. Are you ready for a relationship, you know?

Ferny [00:33:17] Yeah, exactly.

Instagram Live Client [00:33:19] Hi.

Ferny [00:33:20] I can see you now! YAY! Perfect. OK. Sorry. Yeah. I don't know what's going on, but it's back and you're good. OK, so.

Instagram Live Client [00:33:28] So my uncle's been missing for three months and we've reported him, and we have no answers from the police or anybody.

Ferny [00:33:39] Yeah. So. OK. So, there's a couple things I want to say about this. I the first thing I'll say is when we're done, because I'm not going to be able to give you everything, I need to give you when we're done. I want you to shoot my assistant an email. Just go to my Web site and shoot her email and let her know that we spoke on the live and I asked you to email her because I want to actually do a full missing persons like session for him to see if I can give you anything else that might be helpful to you. Because we're not going to have that much time right now. OK. But here's the thing. I feel, first of all, I feel like. I keep seeing three people around him, so I feel like there are three people that would know or have an idea of what has happened to him. I don't feel like he's just gone off and he's just missing somewhere. I feel like something's happened and I feel like something's happened and he's not able to let anybody know or he's not able to do anything to to to give anybody information about this because he's not in a position where he can. When I say it that way, it's going to be hard for me to say this. When I say that way. I'm not feeling confident about him still being around.

Instagram Live Client [00:34:44] OK.

Ferny [00:34:44] OK. I want to put that out there first. But I feel that there are three people that are around the situation that may have an idea or know what happened. One of those people would be considered a close friend. So, I feel like there's a close friend that knows more than they've said or knows more about what's going on. Before he went missing. Was he supposed to? Was he supposed to sign documents or forms or sign papers that were going there were supposed to be like legal agreements or legal forms?

Instagram Live Client [00:35:24] He asked me to, but I didn't go with him to the bank. But I don't know if my cousin, his daughter did. I don't know.

Ferny [00:35:34] OK. Because I feel like he was intending to do some things or to make some changes and it got a little bit confusing. And also, some other people may have may not have wanted that to happen. So, I feel like there's someone close to him who knows what would happen. The area that he lived, the bank that he was supposed to go to. Is that going to be like kind of in an area where he lives, where he lives at?

Instagram Live Client [00:36:06] Yes.

Ferny [00:36:06] OK. By that area. Do you know if there are any, like, big silos or refineries?

Instagram Live Client [00:36:14] No.

Ferny [00:36:15] You know, those big. Are you Houston?

Instagram Live Client [00:36:18] No, no, no. We're here in L.A. Los Angeles.

Ferny [00:36:20] Oh, you're in LA. OK. So, in Houston, there are these huge refineries and they're like these huge like big like I want to say like tire shaped big structures. And I guess. OK. Do you know there's a place like that around where he lives or where he was supposed to go that day?

Instagram Live Client [00:36:41] Well, we he's, um, he lives near a cemetery and then there's a bridge where they told us they saw him, or he used to hang out. But. Other than that.

Ferny [00:36:56] No this is this is, let me see. Let me see if I can draw this so I can show you. I'm going to have to do it. We're going to have to do a full session because it's going to be hard for me to give you everything you need to get here. So. If I were gonna draw this for you, it. OK. So, it's almost like that, so it'd be like a building that's like that. But it's like a light colored like white or and it's not a building. It's almost like it holds water. I don't know if it's a water like tank or a a refinery like drum, but it almost reminds me of that there are some like this around that area where he lived at. They may not be that huge, but there's some around there and I feel like if people were to look in that area, they may find evidence or something that can support the search for him.

Instagram Live Client [00:37:53] OK.

Ferny [00:37:54] OK, we'll, we'll connect after this is done. So, I'm going to have you shoot me and email. But I do not feel confident about him still being alive and I feel like he wouldn't have just done that. He's not the kind of person to just wander off and not be around like he would have told people where he was going or what. Because he reminds me, my uncle Carlos, did he sometimes get afraid of going out to want to do things by himself and he wanted people to, like, go do stuff with him? Like he didn't really like to go out just by himself all the time?

Instagram Live Client [00:38:23] He was he was very afraid of things; I remember that, and I know that he was really, really sick. He was really sick. He didn't want us to see him. He had terminal cancer and he didn't want us to see him suffer.

Ferny [00:38:37] Yeah.

Instagram Live Client [00:38:38] And he was very scared. I know when one of my other uncles was was dying, he didn't want to be present and he kept avoiding coming to the hospital. He was like a chicken. Like a big chicken.

Ferny [00:38:49] Right. I feel like. He talked to somebody or there was a conversation that day or there was communication and they kind of know what happened or they know more and they just haven't said it because they don't want to tell people or they just don't want to share what they were, what they heard. But I feel like someone like close friend or close person to him knows has a good idea what's happened, but they haven't said anything, or they don't want to talk about it. So, I feel like it feels like that, but I feel like there's a building like this or a structure like this where if there's if they look around that there may be something there that y'all can find evidence around with his disappearance. I don't think it's going to be where y'all typically think he would. He would have been like; I know you were talking with the bridge. That's like a typical common place. This is a place that he wouldn't have normally gone to.

Instagram Live Client [00:39:43] You know, he went to the day before he disappeared, he went to to a city and cars. He went to Carson to see one of my aunts and I don't know how he would have made it back home because he was that ill. And I always tell my mom, like, I wonder if, like, something happened on the way home that day, you know, and this is in April, the end of April. So, I don't know. I don't know what to think anymore.

Ferny [00:40:08] Here's what we do when we get you. When you get off, just shoot me. The thing I'm going to ask you for the location that he'd like, the area that he lives in. And then also where he was traveling from, because I'm going to, like, scope through the area to see if I can see anything that reminds me of what I'm seeing in my head.

Instagram Live Client [00:40:23] There is refineries in in Vernon and I believe in Huntington Park. There's one. And there's a refinery and Carson also.

Ferny [00:40:31] OK. Thank you. OK. This is somewhere around there. So, I feel like this is going to be around that area because I feel, I almost feel like I. I feel like there's a slight hill or a slight I don't know, it's just like hill or a slight cliff that comes down. It comes down. And then there's these buildings or these things. There's also this fence that separates it from like where people can access it. So, I feel like if I go behind this area or go in this area, there's something there that might indicate where he is.

Instagram Live Client [00:40:56] OK.

Ferny [00:40:57] OK. He's OK, sweetheart. He's OK. He's also he's acknowledging the month of February and he's talking about a birthday. Does someone have a birthday in February?

Instagram Live Client [00:41:08] February is his wife's birthday. With, I mean, his wife's birthday and his daughters in April.

Ferny [00:41:14] Got it. He wants to acknowledge her birthday, so he's acknowledging her birthday. He also is acknowledging a new baby is somewhat pregnant in the family or and if someone just find out. He says he has a daughter.

Instagram Live Client [00:41:24] His daughter, and she's watching right now.

Ferny [00:41:26] That's it. So, he wants to acknowledge for her that he knows about the baby. So, she wants her to know that. Which because he's giving me this information that makes me think that he is not here anymore. So that's why I'm telling you that. But I feel he's he's OK. He's fine. But he is acknowledging that he knows about the baby. OK.

Instagram Live Client [00:41:44] Thank you.

Ferny [00:41:45] You're welcome sweetheart.

Instagram Live Client [00:41:45] Muchas Gracias.

Ferny [00:41:49] [Speaking Spanish]. OK.

Instagram Live Client [00:41:51] Thank you, I'll e-mail you.

Ferny [00:41:52] You're welcome, sweetheart.

Instagram Live Client [00:41:53] Thank you.

Ferny [00:41:54] All right. So, let's see. All right. So, I just saw somebody else that I needed to bring on. There you are muchacha.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:42:14] Oh, you got me folding clothes! How are you?

Ferny [00:42:20] I'm good. Can you hear me okay?

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:42:23] Yeah. Let me turn on my ballot. Can you hear me okay? I'm sorry.

Ferny [00:42:26] I'm gonna put in my earbuds because.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:42:28] I'm a hot mess.

Ferny [00:42:31] All right, Mama. What did you want to ask me?

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:42:34] Well. Well, my mom is here. My my grandpa passed away a couple years ago. And I was just wondering, you know, if he has any messages for her. She only speaks Spanish. So,

Ferny [00:42:45] Yeah.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:42:46] She's right here.

Ferny [00:42:48] No, it's. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. First of all, he showed me the number two or twenty-two, it's one, either two or twenty-two. Do you know of the second of a month of the 22nd second of the month is connected because he's showing me that it's either that or February? But I've seeing that, two. The two numbers. So, it's either February or the second of a month. Do you know if there's a connection to that with either one of you?

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:43:11] With my mom. Ah, yeah. She got her anniversary's in February.

Ferny [00:43:16] OK. So, he's acknowledging the anniversary or referencing. Your Dad's, your dad passed?

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:43:23] No, not my dad.

Ferny [00:43:24] OK. Hold on a second, let me see where. You know what. Your grandpa is present, but I want to say there's somebody else who wants to kind of chime in for a second. Is your dad's mom passed, your grandmother?

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:43:37] Yes.

Ferny [00:43:37] She wants to say hello. So, she's wanting to acknowledge, be acknowledged to say hello. She says she's the. Thank you. She says she's y'alls angel. So, she wants y'all to know that she's been coming around and trying to let you know she's around y'all. She also says,

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:43:48] Yes,

Ferny [00:43:48] She messed, she messed with the curtains or she messed with the blinds. That's something funny or weird happen with the curtains or the blinds.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:43:55] Yeah, I, I remember some one of ours fell like, ah, like one of these shutter things, up here.

Ferny [00:44:04] Yeah. Because she's acknowledging messing with the curtains or blinds to get y'alls attention. She also thanks y'all for the prayers. Is your mom a devout Catholic or does she really practice the Catholic faith because she's acknowledged your mom praying for her.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:44:14] Yeah.

Ferny [00:44:14] Also says does she not get a chance to go to churches often or does she. Has she not been able to go to church? And she's, like, really wanting to go.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:44:20] Yeah. we are in quarantine. Oh, we don't have, we haven't been able to go to mass

Ferny [00:44:24] That's right. Your grandmother your grandmother wants your mom to know. Get that. Let me see your mom. Let me talk to your mom. Let me go meet.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:44:30] Mommy. Ben Mommy.

Ferny [00:44:34] Given her even though she's not on camera, that's fine. As long as I can hear her and she can hear me. OK.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:44:38] Contigo, It's Ferny. [Speaking Spanish]

Ferny [00:44:41] [Speaking Spanish]

Ferny [00:45:46] Did she? Do you know. Do you know if she had a stroke or there was an issue with the side of her body?

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:45:53] My grandma, my mom, my dad's mom passed away after pancreatic cancer, but they didn't find it. They went they tried to cure it and when they tried to cure it, it just spread, and they died. She did great under surgery, but she died.

Ferny [00:46:09] Because she was just showing me, as she says, she felt numb or sad that she couldn't feel. Side of her body or part of her body. She didn't know what was going on. Do y'all know, if her heart just stopped pumping blood or does, it literally stops? But she's acknowledging that I don't feel the side of my body. And typically, whenever that comes up, it usually means that someone had a clot or someone had a stroke or something triggered their passing, because that's the way she's making me feel.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:46:32] She passed in Mexico. And I was very, I was 19. We couldn't go. My dad was the only one that went. But all his, her kids were with her. So, I will ask my Aunt.

Ferny [00:46:41] OK. Because she's just acknowledging that. She also said La Princessa. Who was the princess in the family?

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:46:46] I know maybe me I'm the only daughter. No.

Ferny [00:46:50] No, no one of her. Does she have a daughter?

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:46:52] She has four daughters.

Ferny [00:46:54] OK. Is one of them like the princess? Like she thinks she's everything and she tries to act like she knows everything and like everything about everything about her or she acts like that. I'm very self-centered. OK. Yeah. So, she's acknowledging like y'all having patience with her. She also keeps acknowledging for your mom. Thank you. She says your grandfather is there. So, she wants acknowledged for your mom that the grandfather is there. She told.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:47:14] My mom's dad?

Ferny [00:47:15] Your mom's dad. So, she's acknowledging your mom's dad.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:47:18] Abueltio, Si?

Ferny [00:47:20] He also he she's telling me that. Thank you. He can feel his lower body, part of his lower body now. So, do you know if he couldn't feel part of his legs or he was having circulation issues with his legs?

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:47:32] He was having trouble walking.

Ferny [00:47:34] OK.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:47:35] Yeah. His legs. Yeah. He was in a walker and he passed very you know, he.

Ferny [00:47:43] So before before you tell me too much, he's acknowledging that he can walk now or he's fine. He also says that there was an internal infection or some sort of break or something that happened. And it triggered like I want to say, it almost triggered his blood to become contaminated or a substance like situation.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:48:00] OK. Makes sense.

Ferny [00:48:02] Because he said he kept getting cold and he didn't know what he was sick. He never told you. And so, it wasn't because. He also says to your mom, he says that he has come in a dream and he says that she didn't understand what he was saying, but maybe he was too far away, or she couldn't make out what he was saying. But he says he came in a dream. Also, is there a picture of him wearing like a suit with like as he is showing a young picture of himself looking really good, so young. Yeah. And it might even be black and white because he's acknowledged this, that there it is. So, he's acknowledging the picture of him in the suit. It's black and white. So, he wants to acknowledge that as well and he says that is his favorite picture and also, he said to somebody, does this is the way he's showing himself to me. So, he's showing himself to me in this way. He also is acknowledging his watch or the broken watch. So, yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah. He's around. He's with y'all and he's with your other grandmother, so there's a lot of them there.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:48:59] OK. That's really good to know. Thank you so much. Thank you for what you do when you bring it to us.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:49:06] You're welcome, sweetheart. [Speaking Spanish] Her mom has passed. So, it was not her mom. It's it's my dad's mom.

Ferny [00:49:17] Right. That was your dad's mom that was communicating some of that. Your your your grandma your mom's mom keeps acknowledging having the same birthday month that someone in the family said, you know, her birthday is the same as someone.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:49:30] Did you know? I don't know if I do. She'd never told anybody her actual birthday. So, we don't even know her birthday cause she was so private and didn't like attention.

Ferny [00:49:40] Yeah, it was December.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:49:41] December was a birthday. Yeah, we have a huge family, so I'm pretty sure we have in there.

Ferny [00:49:48] It's the first week or two of December. If you'll look her up, there's just some more ancestry. Yeah, we'll be able to confirm the date.

Instagram Live Client 2 [00:49:54] Wow. Perfect. Thank you so much Ferny. I appreciate it. Have a good day.

Ferny [00:50:00] You too. bye.

Ferny [00:50:05] All right. So, let's see.

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:50:13] Go.

Ferny [00:50:15] Hello.

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:50:17] Close the door

Ferny [00:50:22] How are you doing?

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:50:23] Hi.

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:50:26] So the question I have for you, was my father passed away in a brawl and it was so like it happened so fast and with Covid and stuff

Ferny [00:50:40] Yes.

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:50:41] We weren't prepared.

Ferny [00:50:42] Yeah. So, before you tell me so much, you must me see if I can connect to him so I can. OK, so first of all, he keeps making me feel like there was already something else that he was dealing with or some other illness that he had. Do you know if he had actually been tested for cancer or that he was going to get some tests to see if there was something going on with his pancreas?

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:51:05] No, not with his pancreas.

Ferny [00:51:09] So he. It's ok. No that's ok, let me do it, let me do it. He keeps acknowledging there was an issue going on in his body, that he knew something was wrong because he was having trouble with the digestive system and he was having trouble using the bathroom. And so, something was wrong. Right. And he makes me feel like if he didn't pass of what he did, he would have passed of something else that would have taken a long time and it would have drug out a while. And your dad did not want to have to be bedridden or deal with any kind of situation where he would be stuck in a bed. He says, no, no, no. So, he didn't want to deal with that. So for me, the way he passed, the way he says it is like this was his way out because he wouldn't have to deal with like a situation like cancer because he says there were issues going on and had he gotten tested, there would have been indications that something was wrong. He also shows me the month of March. Do you know if March or the or the month of March is connected in some way Its either March or the 3rd, so it’s either March or the third of a month? Because he's acknowledging that. There's two, there's there's two, there's two. There's two there's two dates of significant, but they're not in the same month, they're like a week apart, but they're in separate months. So, it's almost like one person would have a date of significance in like, let's say, March. The other one would have it in April, but they would be a week apart. But there are two different months. But he's acknowledging two separate dates of significance. But he brought up that third so I'm thinking it's either the third of a month or it's March. But he's acknowledging that. He also is acknowledging that he he touched your sheets, or he messed with your bedding. So, I don't know if you had an experience where you felt like somebody was getting into bed and you didn't. You thought somebody else wasn't in. There was nobody get into bed or your sheets were moved. But he's acknowledging like he tried to let you know he was around you in that way. He thanks you. He puts his hand over his mouth, which means I didn't get a chance to say goodbye or I wasn't able to speak before my passing. So, he's acknowledging that as well. He also says that he wasn't. He wasn't alone when he passed. So, I don't know if y'all worried or wondered if someone would hang was with them. He says he wasn't alone, that he was not alone. So, he's acknowledging that. He also keeps referencing. Is there a Louis or a Lewis, Lu Lewis or Lu? Oh, a Lu name maybe Lupi, but it's Louis or Lu sounding name?

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:53:38] No, I don't know.

Ferny [00:53:40] That's OK. There's an L.U. connection to your mom, so if you asked your mom, it would be like an Lu like Lou, Louis, Louie. There's a name that's connected in that way. Your dad is also acknowledging. Thank you. Did y'all have to delay his services or did you have to do something to make a change? Because he's acknowledging that he knows that it had to be it couldn't be the way it was normally.

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:53:59] Yeah. Because of the Covid we had to keep it small and simple.

Ferny [00:54:05] He's also acknowledging that he is he is OK, and he is fine. He doesn't want you to worry. Does one of y'all want to do another event or another memorial for him and on his anniversary to properly memorialize him because he's acknowledging knowing that y'all want to do it. Thank you. So, he's referencing that he knows about that and that he says he's OK with that. He doesn't want you to worry. He also says thank you. Was he cremated?

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:54:27] No.

Ferny [00:54:28] OK, why is he showed me a necklace that holds value? Like like it's a big chunky necklace. So, he's acknowledging something that's like a big chunky necklace.

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:54:38] He used to wear it all the time. Gold. A gold like that. And an anchor of gold.

Ferny [00:54:45] Oh, OK. He is acknowledging the big chunky necklace. So, I thought maybe he was like the remains. He's referencing that. Do y'all still have the necklace?

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:54:53] Yes.

Ferny [00:54:53] Got it. He's referencing that. Is the chain slightly bent on one side or does it need to be fixed in one spot because he's acknowledging that the chain might break, or it might be bent. Take a look. Take a look at it when you get a chance, because he's acknowledging something like that as well. He also is drawing on my skin. You know, someone's planning on getting a tattoo for him.

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:55:13] Me.

Ferny [00:55:14] Ok he knows that you're going to be getting a tattoo for him. He also says that he loves you. He also says to tell. Thank you. He wants to acknowledge your mom said, so he's saying I love your mom or acknowledging your mom. He also wants to acknowledge. Is there a picture of him where he's sitting down on the chair of the couch and he's wearing like a red or maroon colored shirt?

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:55:37] Yeah.

Ferny [00:55:37] Got it, he's acknowledging that image of the picture. So, he wants you to know about that picture. That's its favorite picture. He says that you're his baby and that you're always gonna be his baby. He also says that you need to be strong for the family. Now, under normal circumstances, I would say let yourself feel the way you feel and cope with it the way you need to cope with it. But your dad is different. Your dad is like, you need to be strong and hold the family together. Cause for him, it's important for the family to be together. So, he's acknowledging that. He also says if y'all decide to make a change or if y'all need, a change of location or a change of scenery, he supports that. And it's OK. He's not upset. OK, sweetheart, he's with you, sweetheart. He is so with you. And he's OK. He's fine. So even though it happened quickly, I feel like he is OK with it because there was something else going on and he did not want to be bed ridden and he didn't want anyone taking care of him. OK.

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:56:33] Ok.

Ferny [00:56:33] You're welcome.

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:56:34] You're so smart.

Ferny [00:56:36] You're welcome, sweetheart. You take care of yourself, OK?

Instagram Live Client 3 [00:56:38] OK.

Ferny [00:56:40] Bye bye. Bye bye.

Ferny [00:56:45] I've got a couple more here. Let's see, Daniellas Anabria, Hey Ferny. I just got promoted, just as you predicted. What do you see this experience being like? Be patient, because even though you got promoted, the first couple of months are going to be a pain in the ass and then after that, you'll be all right and it'll work out for itself. You might also have another opportunity for a promotion late next year. So be prepared because you might have another opportunity for an improvement to that as well. Okay.

Ferny [00:57:17] Let's see.

Ferny [00:57:34] Hello. Hello. Hello. Hey.

Instagram Client 4 [00:57:40] Oh, I'm feeding my daughter. What's that look like my ceiling? That's funny!

Ferny [00:57:49] Hi. How are you doing?

Instagram Client 4 [00:57:52] Good! How are you?

Ferny [00:57:55] I'm good, you have beautiful skin by the way, just so you know, you have beautiful skin, you have beautiful skin by the way.

Instagram Client 4 [00:58:02] Oh, Thank you.

Ferny [00:58:03] You're welcome sweetheart What did you want to ask me about?

Instagram Client 4 [00:58:05] OK, well, a couple things. Well, not much with one main thing. Yes. Look, that's. Say hi.

Ferny [00:58:12] Hi. Hey, sweetheart. Hey, Momma. How are you doing? How you doing?

Instagram Client 4 [00:58:16] Just like. Ok, so thank you. I swear. She’s probably my mom reincarnated. So, my mom passed because the way she acts sometimes.

Ferny [00:58:26] Yeah.

Instagram Client 4 [00:58:26] My mom passed away. Two years ago. And, you know, it was you know, she had a stroke and then had another stroke in two months.

Ferny [00:58:36] Don't tell me too much because.

Instagram Client 4 [00:58:37] I know. I know. Yeah. So, I have been trying to, like, look for signs and like messages and just my mom, you know, just I miss her so much. Like, we miss her so much. And just everything happened so quickly with her passing. So, I'd be like trying look for signs, birds, angels, something, and just been struggling with that. And I just want to know if, like, is she okay? Like, was she in pain when she passed, you know? Was she mad because we cut her fingernails too short?

Ferny [00:59:13] No. Don't tell me too much, don't tell me too much. You're giving away all the goods First thing is your mom just said the name Patricia? Is there a Patricia or Pat connected to the family?

Instagram Client 4 [00:59:25] Tricia.

Ferny [00:59:26] Patricia or Pat or Patsy.

Instagram Client 4 [00:59:31] Oh, I have to find out.

Ferny [00:59:34] There's a woman there who passed away from cancer or breast cancer. Her name is Patricia or Pat or Patsy. So, she's acknowledging this woman being there. She also your mom wants to acknowledge, your mom's funny. She's funny. I feel like she tries to make light of everything. She doesn't want anyone to worry anybody to, like, be down or anybody to be, like, mad or upset or anything like that. And she says, you know, that I wouldn't want you to be upset. I don't know why you would think I would be mad at you. So, she's acknowledging that you need to stop with that. She also says you've always liked the extra attention. You always want me to come around more so than everybody else. So, she's acknowledging just how you are as a person. Your mom says she's proud of you because she says that you have proven yourself over and over again in your life. So, she says she's very proud of you. She also says that she has been. Thank you. I keep hearing bells or chimes. Do you have bells or chimes? If you ever hear that, you ever hear if you a ringing sound or a bell sound, that's a sign that your mom gives you cause she's acknowledging that. She also says that you're never outside. So, she sends the butterflies and there's nobody out there to be. But she says the butterflies are the symbol from her. So, she's acknowledging that as well. Okay. She also keeps acknowledging a bracelet. Do you know there's a bracelet or charm bracelet that she gave you or that you have it?

Instagram Client 4 [01:00:56] Yes.

Ferny [01:00:56] So she's acknowledging the bracelet. She also keeps acknowledging. I keep hearing Silent Night. Do you know there's some special connection with singing Silent Night at a play or singing at a at a at a church?

Instagram Client 4 [01:01:08] Yes. I don't.

Ferny [01:01:13] So for me, when I think of Silent night, I think of December, I think of Christmas, I think of the significance of that time frame. Do you know if someone if either she or someone liked Silent Night or Silent Night with a song that someone sent to her because she's showing me that song? Giving me that song so there's a reference there.

Instagram Client 4 [01:01:30] My oldest Isabella love singing Christmas like she'll sing Christmas songs in like January all throughout the year. She's always singing Christmas songs. I'm like, oh my God, it's not Christmas yet. But let me.

Ferny [01:01:45] Ask her if she's ever sung Silent Night or there's a connection between her grandma and Silent Night. Your mom also wants you to know that the light bulb is not broken, that it needs to. It is her messing with it? There might actually be the kitchen bulbs on the kitchen light, but she's acknowledging something like that. That is like thinking that the light bulb was messed up or needed to be fixed. And she says she tried to tell you it was her. She showed you it was her. You remember that.

Instagram Client 4 [01:02:13] It's like in my closet, my light in my closet, like I'll turn it off and on, off and on, off and on. I'm like, okay, you need to change. And then, like, you know, It will come on.

Ferny [01:02:22] OK. So be prepared. Be aware. It could also be happening in the kitchen or you might experience it in the kitchen as well, because she took me into the kitchen, and she showed me a light that was on that shouldn't have been on to begin with. And it was on. And it's almost like you thought someone left it on. But you didn't know who left it on. So, she's acknowledging that. You remember that. OK, that's mom. So, she says that that was her. She did that.

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Ferny Unfiltered The Podcast - Vedic Astrology

Tue, 08 Sep 2020 02:14:11 GMT

Ep: What the stars & Vedic Astrology say about these challenging times

What’s it about?

In this episode, Ferny interviews Stephen Kohn, a professional Vedic Astrologer. They dig deep into this more accurate and precise form of ancient astrology. Stephen also goes into detail about what the trends and patterns look like in reference to the Covid-19 (Corona Virus) epidemic.

Prime listening

9:19 – What is Vedic Astrology?
16:12 – Vedic Astrology uses and Purposes 22:15 – Current Stock Market Trends
34:00 – Bitcoin and Global Currency
43:40 – Donald Trump
50:49 – Covid-19
1:01:51 – Mini-Vedic Astrology Reading for Ferny

Stephen Kohn

Stephen is a practicing Vedic Astrologer who hails from the Washington D.C. area. As a mystical academic and classically trained engineer, he entered the field of Astrology from a spiritual and scientific perspective in order to clearly understand the truthful nature of this subject. The quest for accuracy lead him to Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) due to its astronomical and dharmic integrity. As a Vedic Astrologer he meditates and practices yoga on a daily basis so that he may be in the best state of body, mind and spirit in order to assist his human (and non-human) family. He offers a variety of readings in order to help his clients understand and work with the astrological forces which influence their lives.

Stephen’s Links

Website: https://karmaastrology.com/814-2 Instagram: www.instagram.com/karmaastrology

Full Transcript of episode

Ferny [00:00:37] Hey, everybody. You are listening to Ferny Unfiltered, where we dive into topics that enlighten, inform and entertain the soul. My name is Ferny, I am your resident psychic, medium and spiritual teacher. And I would like to welcome you to this episode where we are going to be speaking to Stephen Kohn, who is an incredible Vedic astrologer and just overall well-rounded human being. So I want to welcome Stephen to the podcast. Hey Stephen.

Stephen [00:01:05] Hey, Ferny, thank you very much. That's very kind of you.

Ferny [00:01:10] Absolutely. So we met. Well, we I actually found out about you through your mom. So I was at a Christmas party and for some neighbors and I ran into your mom at that party and we were just chatting and chatting and chatting. And she mentioned you and I had been wanting to have a. I wanted to have my chart done because I'd never I'd never heard of Vedic astrology. I'd never I'd never knew what a Natal chart was. I didn't know any of that stuff, but I had heard about it just recently prior to that conversation with her. And then she brought you up and said, yeah, yeah, my son did you know, does was like, well, I got I want it, you know. So I was excited to talk to you. And then we actually had a session and you just, you know, blew me away because there was so much information that comes through in a session with you about the trends and patterns and what this part of my life is going to look like and what may show up at this point. So there was a lot of stuff that you kind of gave me to chew over. And after that, I was like hooked. And you were you were actually you were the first person who I went to. And then I had someone else who gave me a session with another astrologer. And honestly, like, it's I really enjoyed yours. let's just say, because I think I could relate to you more. And also I think you covered some specifics that it wasn't just about the numbers or the stars or anything like that. There was way more in-depth about it. So I really enjoyed your session. So what is Vedic astrology? Because a lot of people may not know what the heck that is. I mean, people open that like they open the paper, right. And they see the astrology component of a newspaper. And then I go, I'm a tourist. And then they read whatever generalized statement it says or what is Vedic astrology in comparison to that?

Stephen [00:03:01] Well, that's an interesting question. First of all, I had a fantastic reading with you as well. I think it really hit home for me, too. I get a lot out of giving readings to people. It feels like it feeds my soul in a certain way. So that was a particularly good one. I felt really good about that. But yeah. What makes Vedic astrology unique and different from what we would call astrology or Western astrology, as we do in the West is that first of all, it comes primarily from the Indian culture. As in India. And it incorporates actually a lot of the aspects of Western astrology in it, as well as Persian astrology. And it kind of makes a conglomeration of all of these practices in order to get a little bit more of a full picture. There's certain techniques that are used in Vedic astrology that are different from what we're familiar with in the West to when we go to see a Western astrologer, when you check out the paper. And it's it's very interesting. There's. So basically that all all astrology really does kind of stem from these ancient cultures at kind of the end of the last of the Great Flood and Vedic astrology comes from the Indus River Valley, civilization, which is where we think of. Yeah, it's in Pakistan, northern Pakistan. And that's basically the whole Indian subcontinent and that whole culture and how it evolved and grew and incorporated, you know, looking up at the sky and seeing the stars and seeing, you know, recognizing certain moving stars versus the stationary ones. And then moving stars turned out to be planets. And so they described these planets differently in different ways as they experienced them psychologically and noted them over time scientifically. And but it really does incorporate a lot of the same principles as Western astrology. There's a lot of exchange of ideas from ancient Mesopotamian civilizations, which is where Western astrology started and how it kind of moved from ancient Sumer, which was really they used it as a clock. They use the stars as a clock and to map out these twenty four to twenty six thousand year cycles of time that we would call a great year. And then it moved into Babylonian astrology where they got more into the science. And what they meant and eventually it made its way through Hellenistic or Greek astrology. And that's what we would commonly call Western astrology today, is that Mesopotamian oriented 12th sign and Zodiac astrology. But the Indians actually. Oh, sorry. No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was just going to say that Indians actually created or took that 12 signs and incorporated into their zodiac as well. So it kind of it's it's very similar, but it use it. There's a couple of things that delineate it from from Western astrology.

Ferny [00:06:16] So it's kind of like a fusion of the different structured belief systems that they kind of brought together to create a system around.

Stephen [00:06:26] Definitely, yeah. I think, you know, the Indian culture is very rich in. In truth, you know, they want to find the truth and that Dharma is what they call it. And so they are you know, it's a very scientific mindset that that's open to other cultures and other perspectives. While at the same time trying to refine and find that that truth within all of these different practices. So, yeah, there's there's astrology that comes from China. And Persia, modern day Iran and Egypt and Greece. And so all these techniques, you know, are swimming around the Indian subcontinent and exchanging ideas. Right. There is a lot of refinement in and through these exchanges of cultures, cultural ideas and practices.

Ferny [00:07:16] Well, you know, I've been I've been doing readings and sessions for people for I want to say almost a decade, a little over a decade, probably. And it's taking years for me to recognize patterns whenever I encounter energy. Because when you see someone or you read someone, there are certain traits, certain qualities, and the energy that you're reading around them that tends to formulate or tends to bring together trends or patterns that would tend to be the case. And I keep my mind, is kind of blown when I think of how these ancient peoples had to. This probably took hundreds, if not thousands of years to put together just to recognize and see all of the different patterns with the different traits and the different circumstances that occur that occur in people's lives because of the placement of the stars and the timing of someone's birth and all of that. So I'm on my mind. My thinking is it's. It took so much time to put that together.

Stephen [00:08:15] Oh, yeah, totally. I think so, too. You know, not only were these people studying it morning, noon and night with their spiritual practices in India and, you know, they talk about how this information was given down from the Ricci's or the holy people, the people that were in the Himalayas meditating daily and and how they would experience this and see it over and over and over again. And I'm sure that that, you know, it's very similar in the in the Greek culture. And then Babilonia, you know, all these different civilizations where the different astrology, astrological practices come from. But, yeah, they it's been developing for about five to ten thousand years. So a lot of a lot of thought. A lot of reflection and experience, I'm sure went into, you know, creating this what I call a science in the first place.

Ferny [00:09:13] Mm hmm. Were you always interested in Vedic astrology or were you doing something else prior to this? And how did you become interested in this?

Stephen [00:09:21] You know, it's funny that you ask that. I start off, you know, I I was an engineer in college. I was always very technically minded, a math person. Not I mean, I liked writing and, you know, expressing myself creative creatively through words. But math always seemed like it was more definitive. And so it was a little more natural to me in the beginning. And then. I as I've gotten older and you can actually see this in my chart, that I've been more attracted to the kind of metaphysical aspect of the world, the end. And so I think that there is for me personally, I kind of came in as a big skeptic. I was very unsure. I was, you know, this astrology B.S., I don't know. And so I. But, you know, I was actually listening to. And this is going to sound might sound funny, but I was listening to really famous channeler Barbara Marciniak, who channels a crew with engine entities called the pleaidians from the Pleiades. And so I was listening to. I got really turned on by this by this channeling and. And after listening to a number of them, she started to mention or the pleaidians through Barbara Marciniak excerpts. I mentioned the fact that everyone needs a basic working understanding of astrology. It would be very useful to each of us at least to have that end. And I said, oh, really? Do I really have to, like, look at astrology at all? No. You know, and so I got up, I went online and, you know, I did one of those, like, twenty dollar print outs. And I was like, actually, well, there's some truth to this. And then I, I started going down the rabbit hole a little bit more, one step at a time. And eventually I one of my good friends, Michele May. She's a tarot card reader and she's in the band, The Makeup, which is a DC band. But she told me. Have you ever checked out Vedic astrology? You know, I think if you're interested in astrology, I think there's a little more, you know, groundedness to it. And so I said, all right, I'll check it out. And once I got my first Vedic reading, it blew me away. I was just a believer from then on it. I said, oh, my God, I have to study this because it just hit all these different aspects of my personality and my life. And just like to the core, I was I was dumbfounded at how specific it was and how accurate it was for me. So that really and then once, you know, once I got that kind of first inkling I was in I was all in to Vedic astrology because I just really think it it's a little more pure. It's a little more true to the core of astrology, at least in this day and age. And I can expand upon that in a little bit, if you like.

Ferny [00:12:18] Yeah. Well, yeah, that that actually is my next question, because I win when I'm doing a reading. I'm basing it off of my own mental processes, my own understanding, my own personal intuition with Vedic astrology. I mean, it is a numbers game. You're kind of playing you're utilizing a system that is established and is kind of it's a very black and white system in a way. But there's also a level of interpretation that goes along with that, which is, I guess, where you come in.

Stephen [00:12:46] Totally. Yeah, I think I, I agree completely. You know, there's there's this Aries energy and Mars in Aries will act a certain way. But there's so many other things going on, you know, that one of the things we get confused about in Western society or, you know, in that Western mentality, whether European or American, is that I am my sun sign. And that means that I am a cancer through and through. I'm compassionate, I'm open hearted, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, where's my moon? Where's my Mercury? Where is Mars in the sky when I was born? Where are all these other planets? I'd like to say they're in Vedic astrology we use 10 different planetary indicators or 10 different indicators, including your ascendent to really show the diversity and of a personality and how we're all unique individuals that have a unique composition. And and this really is reflected in the sky at the moment of our birth.

Ferny [00:13:50] How long did it take you to learn this system? Because it I by nature, I'm not a numbers person. So even just trying to do basic math, like I get, like, my brain. How did you how long did it take you to really understand and figure this system out?

Stephen [00:14:07] You know, it's it's a lifelong process of learning. I think that's that's one thing that every astrologer will tell you, is that you. You just there's so much data. There are so many different techniques. There's so many different opinions and all on top of that, all of the, you know, the logic and the details that go into it, that I think it's a lifelong practice. But I've been practicing for about five years now. And I would like to say that, you know, I'm definitely no longer a beginner. But it does take a number of years just to kind of warm up and to start to understand. And for me, I personally am an obsessive type of researcher. I love to study. I love to learn. And so I just get me behind a book or a computer screen or whatever method of learning I can do. And, you know, I'm there. So it it definitely takes a long time to really start to understand how everything works together and synthesize. But I think, you know, you can jump in and get a basic understanding within like a year, maybe two years.

Ferny [00:15:19] I've had many clients who, for example, my my Indian clients, who they still practice the tradition of arranged marriages. And in some instances, they will not enter into a a marriage if the astrology doesn't look good. And they have to have it done prior to them entering into the relationship, which is I mean, I guess if you want to put it into practical terms, like I'm not going to enter into somewhat into a marriage with someone if they've got bad credit, you know, they've got bad credit and their points are bad. I'm not going to go into that. So I could see this in a very, I guess, spiritual or energetic way. It's like you get with this person, this is going to create like this kind of scenario and you'll start to experience this. How often do you utilize the system of astrology to kind of figure out what you're going to do next or what something looks like, whether it's your interaction with another person or with someone who you're going to do business with? How often do you actually tap and utilize the system?

Stephen [00:16:24] I as much as possible and it can get really complicated for me personally. I like to. I really like to. You know, it's really nice to have the backing of the stars in whatever you do to find auspicious timing, as we call it. And there's an auspicious time to get married and an auspicious person to be married to. For each of us. Right. So and we can see that I mean, just jumping into the relationships aspect of it. It's fascinating to see how much the Indian astrology that the astrology that's unique to India has been focused around marriages and arranged marriages and and making sure that your karmas are, like you said, compatible enough so that you can, you know, you know where you're going to get along with this person and you know where it's gonna be a little difficult. And so we all need to you know, I think that there's definitely. And it just depends, you know, in this day and age, it's with online dating and everything so quick, so spur of the moment it can. It's I think it's a good backstop. I think it's definitely a good thing to check to just to, you know, see what your compatibility looks like. Astrologically, I mean, and what we do is really we look at the moon and we look at Venus. And because the moon is the planet of connection, Venus is the planet of relationships and mutual respect, mutual harmony. And so we really see, like, OK, how am I really going to relate to that person? Can can they hold space for me? Can I hold space for them? Are am I expressing these qualities that are, I guess, defined as masculine? And does that other person have receptive qualities to match or you know or are we both have. Do we both have these strong, masculine or feminine aspects to us as well? As you know, it goes well, well beyond masculine and feminine. But that's just some of the ways that we look at relationships. But, yeah, in terms of auspicious timing, it's I think it's really useful. I even do a little trading of stocks and and whatnot and Bitcoin. And I like to place my trades actually around auspicious times. And I like to look at the charts of different things. And you can really just dove into any aspect that you're interested and, you know, maybe even the most auspicious time to to put your seed in the dirt in your garden. So there's all our you know, for there's just so many ways that it can be applied that I think it's kind of fun in a way, just to experiment and to see the results and to write it down. And then, on the other hand, to really like experience the benefits of it.

Ferny [00:19:16] Have you ever had an experience where you you saw what it was looking like in the numbers and you were like, oh. And then you went ahead and made a decision and then you were like, I am so happy that I made a decision I made based off of what I was seeing.

Stephen [00:19:32] Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. I that is especially when it comes to trading, like I said, when it comes to, you know, your finances and everything, you you really feel the benefits are the detriment of your actions. And. And I can definitely tell and I've, you know, plans something out. It's it's just like anything if you do the prep work. If you think about it, if you make make a plan, it's more likely to follow through. And then if it's you know, you can still get married at an auspicious time. You can still get, you know, be with someone that's difficult, that has difficult, you know, what we'd call Kouta scores or which is the compatibility scores. But. And and you can understand through talking to an astrologer what not how to deal with that or just experiencing it. You know, it's like, OK. My wife doesn't like it when I do this. Oh, there. My husband doesn't like when I do that. And so. But it definitely helps. It helps a lot. And I've noticed it big time. Big time. And my clients have too they've, wow, it's pretty special, too. I mean, on the other hand, nothing is an exact science, you know, or there's so many factors that you have to be careful and you have to be cautious and and look at things very deeply. And and. And also, I don't personally like to be responsible for or tie my karma too much into my clients. So I don't like to give too many predictions as much as probabilities. And then let the people decide what they want to do, because ultimately we have to make our own decisions. And. And I find that actually some of my clients come back to me just to affirm that what they are feeling is what's going on in the sky. And it just lays, right? Yep. That's what I'm feeling. And I'm glad I'm on the right track. You know, it's so I have all sorts of different experiences with different people who have different desires around, you know, predicting the future. Understanding, you know, compatibility and all the issues.

Ferny [00:21:39] I think I 100 percent agree with that. And coming from my field, it it's so important when because I deal with a lot of clients who've been to psychics or mediums and specifically psychics who the psychic tells them what to do. And obviously they base their decision process making process on what that psychic said and they do it. And if it didn't go well, you know, that responsibility, they automatically place it on the psychic. And what I try to do with my clients is I'm like, look, I'm here to tell you what I sense not to tell you what to do. Like you're responsible for your own life. You have to make the decisions that you are comfortable with. I am giving you an energetic forecast of what's to come, the probabilities of what's to come, what's likely to occur. But you can change things if you want to. And I think people have this this perception that something is set in stone or they don't have a choice, that they are forced or have to go with what their chart says or with what I'm predicting or I'm sensing. And I know like I'm here to just give you what I'm sensing, not to tell you what to do. And I agree with you. I think a lot of my clients will come to me. They want of affirmation for what they're already feeling, which I'm happy to provide, if I can, and say, wow, yeah, I'm kind of seeing this or, you know, I'm not really seeing, you know, that happening for you. But, you know, that doesn't mean you should stop. Keep moving in that direction. But you might need to get a little stronger in that intent.

Stephen [00:23:02] Yeah, totally. Yeah. And it's really good. You know, it's very wise on your part not to mix your karma in there.

Ferny [00:23:10] Yeah. So speaking of the stock market, because we've got everything up in an uproar right now, we got Covid 19. And that's kind of thrown everything into a synchronistic chaos. What have you been noticing or what patterns have you been, you know, gauging from the science there about the the first of all, about the stock market, because we were just talking about that and then we can jump over to Covid.

Stephen [00:23:36] Sure. Yeah. Well, basically, what I'm really seeing, it's it's pretty clear astrologically is that. What happened recently is that Pluto, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars all went in to Capricorn. And what that means is basically Capricorn is is the sign. It's the most I would say it's probably the most rational, security oriented sign it. Capricorn deals with our ability to stay safe and to protect ourselves and the things that we love for a very long period of time through careful planning and and very rational thinking. It's a very tactile, rational, realistic oriented sign. So all and that being said, what we do in astrology is we say, OK, this planet is moving through this sign. Therefore, it's projecting or it's almost acting as a lens for the energy of that section of the sky. Where Capricorn is. It's not just the stars of Capricorn, but it's all of the energy, all of whatever is around it. In others, as the distant stars, we don't see there's above and below the sign of Capricorn, but it's really coming through there. And the planet is acting as a lens because it's so close to us. It's this gigantic object that is really close to Earth compared to anything else in the frickin universe. Right? I mean, the nearest solar system is light years and light years away, whereas these planets are right next to us. They're in our our group are our neighborhood. And so when what that shows is that this energy of Capricorn is kind of getting projected through Pluto and Saturn and Jupiter, and it was through Mars at the start of this whole thing. And basically, I can tell you, Pluto is more of a Western astrology planet. We don't really use it too often in Vedic astrology. But that's one of the areas that I find fascinating and useful and interesting. You know, it exists. It's there. I'm interested in studying it. So from a Western perspective, they'd say that Pluto kind of acts like Hades, it's the undertaker. It's almost like this. Phoenix like energy for our ego, where our ego kind of gets crushed and destroyed and brought down. And then we kind of rebuild ourself from the ashes. We rise up. And so Pluto coming into Capricorn will say, OK, I'm going to crush you financially. I'm going to crush you in all of these logistical and all these very rational and practical things. If you haven't been doing them, you're gonna go through a little evolution. Your ego's going to take a shot. It's gonna be painful. You know, whenever the ego gets hurt, it's you know, we really identify with the ego. It's hard not to. And so it feels like, oh, my God, I'm getting crushed by this. And now I need to, like, rebuild, rebuild, come back up out of the ashes and grow. So Pluto's there. Saturn has a similar energy and it's a little different. We say that center rules Capricorn. So it has that practicality and the seriousness. But, yeah, Saturn is about our commitments and making things last a long time. So it also deals with our nervous system in the body. And so when we don't take care of our, you know, ourself mentally, we get nervous. We get anxious. When when Saturn comes around. So if we're not paying attention to where our money is for perhaps or our assets or these things that are really tactical things that support our lives very firmly, if our actions aren't clear and concise and and logical, if we're not committing to a long term course of action that's going to provide stability in our lives. Then Saturn will make us pay the price in Capricorn. So it's kind of like all of these things. Jupiter, on the other hand, will be expansive and Jupiter is the planet of expansion, hope, meaning and inspiration. In a way, it it kind of gets us to see. You know, rise beyond them out of the mundane and see the bigger picture of what's happening. So there's this all this insight happening now to where we're like, oh, wow, maybe I should turn to like the most practical teachers that can teach me the most logical things so I can be pragmatic and realistic and revise, you know, what I was doing before and recommit to things that are going to really give me a sense of security in the long term. And so all these these energies are all together and they're very slow planets. Jupiter is going to be in Capricorn for the next year. Saturn, two and a half years. And Pluto, nineteen years. Oh, my God. And believe it or not, the last time Pluto entered Capricorn was when we entered the American Revolution. So there's yes. There's a lot of Revolutionary War.

Ferny [00:28:45] All right. OK.

Stephen [00:28:48] So there's I mean, I don't mean to be a doomsayer as as much as I can be, but I. I really want to. I think people should know that it's about recommitting to a sense of security. And that means financial, physical, emotional, spiritual. So it's really, you know, Capricorn is asking us to to really commit to the things that are going to make us feel safe in the long term. And what end that is happening for everybody around the world. So right now, all of these systems that were kind of teetering on hope and confidence rather than actual, you know, stability like the stock market, for instance, is pretty much disconnected from the economy right now. And and so we're trying to figure out, well, what's real, what's not, what like, you know, I want to have savings. I want to have security in the long term. But all of this stuff is getting uplifted. Maybe the dollar isn't the most safe thing. Maybe Bitcoin is. Maybe gold is. But it's you know, it's different for every person and the lessons that they're going through and what they're learning. But I think there's there's a lot of that kind of pressure. Saturn equals pressure. So a lot of pressure and stress being put on us right now just to do the right thing to make it last longer.

Ferny [00:30:14] It's interesting. You bring up. Well, go ahead. Go ahead.

Stephen [00:30:16] Oh, I was just going to say, in terms of Covid, I think that's the physical manifestation. Right. This if you've been working on your health and you've been struck, you know your vitality. If you're eating well, if you're taking care of yourself, it's you're probably going to be OK. But, you know, if it it's difficult because it you know, obviously people don't have a choice about how they're going to contract a disease or preexisting conditions. There's so many X factors. And it's and we have to be very compassionate and serious and rational about what actions we're taking. So all of these lockdowns and everything, Saturn and Capricorn in general, have to do with boundaries. And so imposing these boundaries in order to keep us safe and keep and protect the elderly, Saturn also has to do with the elderly and, you know, people that have lasted a long time physically. So, you know, are they committing to the practices that have kept them, you know, alive this amount of time and and how how much has been serious, real physical vitality and how much has been pharmaceutical vitality? You know, it's it's about like getting real and and getting down to nature and what the laws are trying to teach us and and respecting them.

Ferny [00:31:38] Well. And I that makes sense. It makes a lot of sense to me, because since late last year, when I say I think starting in October, I began switching over to a predominantly vegan lifestyle. And even though I still eat, you know, dairy and meat from time to time, it's nowhere nearly the level that I was engaged in last year. And it became this sudden, like push to just do it, do it. Do it. I was like OK? I mean, I've been a vegan before, so it wasn't like I didn't know what to do, but it just felt like I needed to do it. And I didn't really understand the reasoning for it other than just besides the pain that I was feeling when I would consume and consume flesh essentially, and animal bodies, I, I felt the pain from that energy. I just felt the energetic pain from that. And so it was becoming too overwhelming where I just felt like I had to start weaning off of that and getting away from it because it was it's like a drug when you start to consume a lot of those things. And this year, I think I'm at my healthiest since I that I've been maybe in 12 years. I mean, it's been years since I've been this healthy. So I spent total. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, well, maybe, you know. Is that reexamining of our health and our wellness and, you know, I was already doing that in a gradual way. But this whole thing has kicked up people's attention for those other people or those people who take it seriously or are taking it as something to be considered their new needs to take care of themselves or focus on their health and well-being. And it sounds like there's a trend where we're being forced to reexamine how we're taking care of ourselves and what we're used to being what we're used to doing that we're so kind of caught up and comfortable with.

Stephen [00:33:19] Yes, I agree completely. I think. Yeah, I think they're it's been the difference now is that, you know, last year while these planets were in Sagittarius where we're Sagittarius is more of this hopeful inspired sign then kind of gets us to be like, I know what the right thing to do is and I'm gonna go do it, you know, but it kind of is in that idea land that expansive, like I'm going to do the right thing kind of zone or or I'm gonna really kind of practice what I preach and then to come into set to Capricorn, you know, we get that inspiration, the natural kind of evolution of the Zodiac. Capricorn comes after Sagittarius because Capricorn is where we put those principles and those beliefs into action. And so it's like if if you were doing it beforehand, good, good on you, you know, you're gonna be OK when it goes there. You're gonna be strong. You're gonna be healthy. Even when there might be toxins in your environment, you know, and that's what that's what it says is that basically it's you know, it's go time in terms of really taking care of yourself. And if and the people who have started early are seeing the benefits already. You know, you're not getting sick as much. You're not you know, you're you're starting to see it in your body and your vitality and all these different ways that we experience healthy wellness.

Ferny [00:34:39] Mm hmm. So speaking of the market and go back looping back around to that. So last year I had a few clients who did trading as well. They were doing day trading. And some of them I kept seeing them getting way more invested and involved in Bitcoin, which is interesting because I was looking into that myself a couple of years ago. And then I got a financial adviser and he's like, don't do it, you know, let me handle this. I'm okay. Sure. Of cource some of those decisions and pan out well. But so I got out of the bitcoin stuff and. But I saw these clients who were. Getting more involved in that and I said, you know, I see you going more into Bitcoin there, like what? I don't really have an issue. Like, I don't know why. I just see you going more to Bitcoin. I feel like it's going to really take. Is going to. It's going to experience some sort of a pop or there's going to be some sort of like a resurgence of it in a different way. And ever since all of this started up with Covid and then seeing the market kind of going down and crashing here, I've been seeing this pattern where a major like organization or major government is going to switch over to some sort of a point system that would utilize a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin. And once they backed it, it was essentially going to set the stage for other countries to join in on that in some sort of a collaborative agreement that this is how it would be handled because of this one. You know, which I'm I'm thinking it'll probably be someone like China or or one of that one of the one of the eastern countries. So what what what has the charts. What do they say about like Bitcoin and like the trends of the market for like the next year?

Stephen [00:36:24] I'll tell you what I can see is that it's the same issue, it's this Capricorn, Saturn Energy, and so that's going to be two and a half years of Saturn and Capricorn. It leaves. It leaves around May of 2022. So two years from now, basically, we have to enjoy this transit. And so what that really shows, Zanten oftentimes shows the end of a commitment and the beginning of a new one. So we've had this commitment to Fiat, to, you know, to printed currency dollars yet yuan or whatever rubles. And that that scene, that that commitment, this if if Capricorn is this financial energy is kind of coming to an end. And then the reboot, kind of the beginning of the new cycle is starting this 28 year Zodiac's cycle. So we can see that, you know, there's a lot of shakeups happening. And if Saturn is coming in and putting pressure on things and, you know, if if it's a weak system, middle crumble, which is what we're basically seeing with this unlimited money printing or currency printing by the European Central Bank and the Federal Reserve. It's showing that the system's really weak and it's time for a change. And and these are the block chain technology is such a powerful technology that's taken off. And it's allowed us to kind of have a different option or a new idea around how to deal with currency and money and how to have maybe sound money or centralized or decentralized money. There's different ways to look at it. But I do see that, you know, Saturn's showing the shakeup. It's kind of putting the pressure on on Fiat dollars, on confidence, space, money and saying, oh, no, you got to get real with this. You got to make it founded. You know, a foundational principle. You have to have some sort of deep foundation behind your economic system or your money system, like we used to be on the gold standard here in the US for a long time. And we officially went totally off of that in 1971. And what gold did was gold was that ultimate money back in the day that stabilized the entire world. It didn't let countries do too much deficit spending and it and let their finances, get out of control. And have to have these mega crashes. It was more stable than it was. We'd have the ups and the downs, but they'd be there. Rohwer is we have these super bubbles nowadays because we've we've kind of thrown away the practical aspect of our currency or the practical tethering of it to something that's real, you know, which just something that's fine. And so I think these cryptocurrency's allow for something that's relatively finite, relatively tangible, even though it's in the digital world. It's, you know, with distributed ledger technology and everything. I think that people are able to the governments are looking to switch over to something because they got they got to go through this Pluto revolution. They've got to go through this Saturn pressure to or they're getting the pressure of Saturn, which is destroying what they hold dear, you know, this currency. And it's showing that we need we need something stable and in order to trade effectively and not rob people or, you know, and and it also goes the other way. If if. You know, if they centralize it enough, they can use it to control us a little bit more, and that's that's something that we should really be aware of.

Ferny [00:40:19] Well, I would think that they there could be some sort of system set up where it's kind of like I mean, we have systems of government all around the world. And, you know, it's like when you think of like the U.N., which is this idea concept that there is a collaborative in play and they're kind of working with each other and they're keeping each other in check as well. I would say that shouldn't there be like a system of currency or points based in every country where they're kind of they check each other? So essentially, there's the agreement that currency will be established by a certain measure. And let's say, for example, China comes up in there like we're going to use this, you know, and if the UK signs on or, you know, if one of the European countries signs on, then they would say, OK, well, we'll use this system, but we are going to check it by our system. And we have this agreement in place almost like a a legal binding contract, that this is how the system will be maintained to use. And so if something goes awry in the Chinese currency system, it can be checked by this additional system outside of that government. And then if you have all these different governments signed on with it and still using that same methodology, if something goes wrong in one country where something has been, you know, messed with or changed artificially, then the other systems basically will have it has to check against those other systems. And if it doesn't, then that's where the issue is and then that's where it has to be addressed. And so I would think that there would be some some sort of check and balance system setup where all the different governments around the world can essentially back up that point system or that kind of currency system because they're using each other to check and keep each other in check with the way that the currencies are being managed.

Stephen [00:42:05] Yeah. That would be that would be nice. I would. And that was what Gold served as originally, you know, as as every country had reserves of gold. And, you know, they had a certain amount of that fixed, tangible wealth that they could call upon or if they needed. And currencies are backed by it. But it's. Yes, I would be it would be very nice if that if that could work. You know, they say block chain could be used to free the entire world or enslave the entire world. How is it? It's a matter of, you know, what policies are going to be put into place in order to facilitate the trade. And. And definitely, as we get into this more and more and more globalist society, societies are you know, we're we're so global and we're connecting with people all over the world, like especially people like us who are doing readings for people in different countries. And whatnot. It's it'll be really interesting. And I think it could open a lot of, you know, fantastic gateways to be able to more easily facilitate the, you know, transfer of wealth. And but at the same time, it's it we have to keep our governments in check. We have to make sure that they're doing it in our best interests, too. So I, I have a little bit of reservation with regards to one global currency, but I think that they would also you know, it could be a really beautiful thing.

Ferny [00:43:37] So what is the what? What does Donald Trump have his own planet or is it a planetary like body or. I mean Mars I would say.

Stephen [00:43:48] He is an astronaut. Astrological phenomenon, that's for sure. Ferny [00:43:53] Huh. What do you mean by that? Explain.

Stephen [00:43:56] So if you look at his chart. I think he was born on the exact day of a lunar eclipse. So eclipses are huge events and astrology. And what creates an eclipse is basically the difference in the plane of the moon's orbit and the plane of the earth's orbit. So the Earth orbits around the Sun as well as all the other planets. And one single plane, one flat plane, and then the moon orbits the Earth in a plane, in a circle or in ellipse or really elliptical orbit. That is at a slight angle to that left ecliptic plane is what we call the earth's orbit around the sun. And so what that does is whenever the moon comes into alignment with the Earth's orbit, there's two little points where it does. One, where it goes kind of above the plain. One where it goes below. And if those two lunar points are called the nodes of the moon, the north node and the south node, and they're known to really be all about our future in the north node. And what kind of it's like a portal. It's almost like pushing us forward. And where it is in your chart shows what you're kind of obsessed with, but you're a little blinded by it. At the same time, whereas the south node is the opposite, it's actually the part that represents your past or your past lives, and it shows where you've kind of developed a very strong understanding and experience of what that energy is, maybe what that Sign's energy is, or the house in which that that sign occupy and everything. So when Donald Trump was born, he had the sun conjunct that north node of obsession. So and the sun is what we call the is really our sense of empowerment and our individual empowerment or our sense of power. And so when it's conjunct the north node that that obsessive blind obsession, it show and it's in his tenth house on top of all that, which is the house of our career, our duties. We call it the Karma bava the action house in Vedic astrology. And so what that shows is that he's kind of obsessed with work. He's obsessed with his sense of power or empowerment and his feeling of power. And he's really confused about it. So he almost doesn't understand the true nature of empowerment as being. We like to look at planets and Vedic astrology is very evolutionary principles. So the sun goes from, I have power over you. I'm strong. I can beat you up or whatever. I'm all the way to. I'm so empowered because this is my unique creative identity. This is my gift to the world. And look at all those other people out there. All the other shining stars in the galaxy. Wow. They all have their own individual gifts that they give back to the whole. And that's beautiful. And a really evolved sense of of empowerment. Whereas the devolved sense is kind of what we see in our president, where he wants to have power over other people, he wants to have authority over other people to the point in which, you know, he's talking about the government taking power over corporations. And, you know, and other things that are very scary like that. Whereas on the other hand, his his on the other side of the Zodiac when he was born on the other side of the earth or his moon and his south node. So the moon. And so the moon set. Like I said before, kind of represents our sense of compassion and our ability to connect to others. Our ability to feel for others. And very, it's our very emotional side. It's kind of our emotional mind. You could say. And to be joined with this south node, it means that he had to focus on his emotions, his feelings and his internal life when he was younger. And it was kind of irky. You know, it's a little irksome to to deal with the same thing over and over again. And his feelings and his feelings were turbulent because it was in the sign of Scorpio. So where the moon has a very difficult time in general. So, you know, in Scorpio, we deal with our insecurities, our sense of kind of paranoia or ability to protect ourselves and our feeling of the need to protect ourselves from the inside. And so when when the president has his moon in this very unstable, insecure, paranoid sign with this past life, energy and childhood energy, kind of putting this pressure on him or or kind of getting him to fix all the little details and fix all this is his faults there. It it makes him not want to deal with his emotions, not want to think about his feelings because he had to do it as a kid and he didn't want to. Doesn't want to. So he really wants to focus on this, his power and growing his power and expanding it as much as possible. And so you can really see that. And I think I can personally see these qualities in him.

Ferny [00:49:29] I think the other thing you could feel like whether whether your you know, whether you're not a fan of Trump or you are like you have to recognize that he is he's in a mindset of domination, wanting to dominate. And then the whole MO is like, let's dominate this stuff. And that's to be the first let's be number one. So it's not something that can see it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, and with it with the virus, is there like a virus planet or is there a planet. Well actually let me back backtrack that. What do this what, what is what is the astrological trend for his position of power at this time. Is he going to get reelected again or what does that look like?

Stephen [00:50:11] You know, I haven't really looked into it personally once. Yeah. You know, I haven't looked into. Yeah. With regards to the reelection, I definitely looked into it, you know, in the last election cycle with regards to, you know, Hillary versus Trump and everything. And it didn't it didn't look too great then. But. And, you know, I'm almost a little scared to look it at this time.

Ferny [00:50:38] Yeah.
Stephen [00:50:39] What else is happening in the world? It's it's definitely now that you

mentioned that it's on my radar and I'll check that out. But I haven't looked into it yet.

Ferny [00:50:47] Mm hmm. So with the virus, is there like a planet that represents illness or virus or is it what can what do was whether the stars say about this Covid 19 scenario.

Stephen [00:51:02] Sure. I think that really goes back to Saturn. If in so in Vedic astrology, we typically we only work with the inner planets for the most part. I mean, I consider myself like I said before, I like to be holistic. I like to look at the outer planets and see what they're doing, what they represent. I haven't looked into the asteroids and all that kind of mini planets that are now recently being discovered. But. With regards to health and wellness and sickness, Saturn tends to be the planet because Saturn first of all, it it's shown in our nervous system and it's a very you know, our nervous system, when it's defeated and down, is much more susceptible to allowing diseases to be to grow and be prevalent in our bodies. Saturn is that uber, rational and practical planet that wants to teach you the real tangible lessons of life. So it's it definitely deals with the physical body as well as beyond the nervous system. So when Saturn comes in and my teacher likes to say when Saturn comes around the chart, it's like an elephant going around and sitting on a different area of your life or a different, you know, energy with that specific energy. And so when Saturn is now coming into this sign of Capricorn, which is. You know, a Capricorn on a very evolved level is is kind of getting us into the preparation mindset and into the long term plan or mindset. So it shows that, you know, if we haven't been planning, you know, if we haven't been working on our health for for a little while now, then we'll be paying the consequences. So you see, like with the virus, most of the people that are that are getting injured and unfortunately passing away are people that have had preexisting conditions and people that are already kind of that haven't necessarily been the most healthy people. So it kind of shows it shows that in that regard, it it definitely can show that for any age range that you don't have to be in your 90s to not take care of yourself. And I think that it's just a sign it's it's putting the pressure on you. It's making you nervous if you're not taking care of your health right now. You know, there's signs, there's real signs like that, papers and just the whole public societal images like, you know, let's do what makes sense. And, you know, we got to put up the physical barriers, wear the masks. You know, if that's what, you know, helps us to contain it or to protect ourselves and others, you know, we got to put ourselves in isolation and and really Saturn shows that the boundaries and the walls around us. So it wants us to be isolated. It wants us to be serious and practical and. And in order to really just find a sense of peace. And the end of the day, because when we have when we've taken care of all of our responsibilities, which is set out in school to teach us, then what we can do is relax. And even when that elephant comes around and tries to smash our fort, we've built that fort out of concrete and steel rather than toothpicks and paper, you know, and cards. And I think that's kind of, you know, a symbol for or a metaphor for our bodies. You know, is your body made out of, you know, type one, a construction, which is I that's an engineering term for, you know, steel, steel buildings. Basically construction stuff is not going to burn stuff that's not going to come down very easily. Or is it built or have you made a house of cards based on. I don't know, like a house of carbs. You could say I guess or.

Ferny [00:55:06] So. So have we hit peak with the virus then, or is there like another period where we'll see more of this trend?

Stephen [00:55:18] You know, there's. I can't. I can't necessarily predict that for sure anything, but there's always what's happening right now is that we just had Saturn enter retrograde or so Saturn. From our perspective, looks like it's starting to move backwards in the sky. And what that does is it turns these physical things, these physical ailments, or that that elephant that's in our physical world, crushing us with the realities of life, is going to go internal and become more of a mental psychological crushing. Sorry for laughing. I have strong. Is a strong planet. And I have to if I don't laugh, I'm gonna cry. So. So. So it really shows that this is a period of time. The next let's see, Saturn is going to be retrograde until early September. So until early September. And Jupiter is going to back out of Capricorn two and go back into Sagittarius around June. So that's going to. I would think that it's going to wane a little bit right now, but then it'll come back with a vengeance. Not necessarily. But I think, you know, at least in terms of the things that are happening to us, this this goes for our financial system, our physical health, the virus, you know, all of these these real things. That once that kind of starts to go pro grade again or back forward will say, well, it's like your second chance. It's like, OK. Did you take care of yourself? I know you were worried the last few months. You were anxious and nervous about getting in good shape and eating well and and doing whatever you need to do with your finances. Did you do that? Because now it's your it's coming back again. That's how I kind of look at it. So it's going to start.

Ferny [00:57:13] And when does it come back again?
Stephen [00:57:15] Oh, it starts. It's programed in motion in. Let's see. Right at the beginning of

October.
Ferny [00:57:25] So it looks like you got it.

Stephen [00:57:26] Yeah. September 29. So right at the end of September, beginning of October is where it starts to get real again. And then Jupiter will enter Haberkorn a few weeks at around November late, November 24th, Thanksgiving time. And so that's going to bring a little bit more awareness and expanded perspective of things. It's gonna be like, oh, the last few months since Saturday I went pro grade was I? I know I was doing the right things. I know I was doing the wrong things, whatever way it is for you. You know, that's where we have choice. You know, it's it's like there's always there's these indicators that say that there's going to be this pressure in this aspect of our life. And that's what I see as an astrologer. But I don't see what people are going to do about it because that's up to every individual. And I'm sure that there's a million iterations of of how to deal with this type of pressure and scenario.

Ferny [00:58:23] So I would say so. So just by gauging that, because, I mean, I've had my own my own perception of what's going on and everything, and I've actually been telling people that once we get into May, once we get it May. This would continue on. And then once we get to the end of May, going into June, there's a shift that's starting to happen. So something's shifting. Something's changing. And that doesn't mean that something stops. In June, it just kind of comes up and it's there and then something's shifting away from this. And then I was I've been telling Clients that I'm like, around July or on August, that's when you start to see people getting back into what I would call the new normal, where they're kind of getting back into a mental place or mindset that this is this is done. And so I see more people traveling, more people doing stuff around July and August. So what you're describing about, you know, there is a waning that tends to come up or the tenses show up around June, seems to kind of match what I've been sensing as far as, you know, just perceptively. And I have mentioned to clients or people that there is going to be another freak out period at the end of this year. But I thought or I felt that it would be because there would be some cases, not nowhere near the level of what we're seeing now, but some cases at the end of the year. But there was also going to be a lot of flu. And because of this, people were going to start to freak out again and the companies and organizations and it's almost going to be like like a second period of like, oh, crap is starting again. Except I do feel it was going to be as intense. But I can see this all starting up again. Not necessarily the virus part. I don't know if that's going to be as intense, but I can see companies and businesses and, you know, people are starting to lock down again out of fear or out of trauma from the first experience. And that being our second chance. OK. Y'all just went through this in April, May and June. What you gonna do now? Once we get into October, November, when stuff starts coming up again, that is going to bring up this whole trauma.

Stephen [01:00:20] Exactly. I think that's pretty spot on. And now I'm looking at I'm looking at this chart right now, and the transit's, as we call them, where the planets are moving throughout time and in my software. And I see that Mars is actually going to be in Pisces. Is that. It enters in. Around the end of June, and it's going to be in Pisces until mid August, so that's around. And Pisces is the sign that actually kind of deals with travel to foreign places, foreign lands, getting out into isolation or just kind of it might even be mental travel, psychic travel, you know, other dimensional travel, maybe dreams will be more intense and perceive forseaable advantage. What not for people, but Mars is this planet of action and fire and doing something. So when Mars comes into Pisces, it will kind of push us into this traveling state of mind. This like I got to get out of here. I want to experience something new, something different. I want to trip out or whatever way as I like to do it. So I could definitely see what you're saying in the stars for sure.

Ferny [01:01:38] So before we wrap, I wanted to ask you about a weird I guess I could call it a phenomenon because I don't know what to make of it from my perspective. But maybe you do since you you know, this this is what I mean. You'd look at the stars, you this is what you study. So on. So I've been doing channeling work for several years now, for a few years now. And in this past this year, actually, it's become even more intense. And to the point where now I'm doing channeling sessions for clients and I'm doing that kind of stuff. It's not something that I'm still comfortable with, but I'm doing it nonetheless. And on Easter, interestingly enough, on Easter, I went outside and I looked at the sky and I saw Venus. I think that's. Yeah. Venus. And it was it was on the on the. Yes. And the evening. Exactly. It was so beautiful. And I was like, oh my God, it's beautiful. And I took the camera out there. I started taking pictures and I was capturing images and pictures of Venus. And I also began to feel my, you know, Asha coming through and was like, you need to you need to write. Because for the last year or two, actually for the last couple years, I've been having a lot of moments of contact from Asha. Speaking about Yeshua, which most people would know, Yeshua as Jesus, which is the character or the historical character is just known as Jesus. And when I was out there taking a picture of Venus, you know, Asha was like, you need to you need to write down begin to write down the story of what I've shared with you. And I'm like, OK. And I'm like. And it's not something I was really wanting to do because I felt I'm I grew up Catholic. You don't you don't say something about that. One of the most, if not the most important figure in Catholicism and in Christianity that is not aligned with traditional teachings. But I felt the incessant it was there. You need to write this down. Start writing this down. I was like, OK. And so I took a picture of Venus, actually posted it that evening on Easter. And I began to kind of put down bits and pieces in my notes. And then I was having a conversation with a friend one day and he asked me a question about Jesus. And I just started to go into the story of everything that I've learned over the last years about what I've been given through the channeling sessions. And after that call, I wrote it all down. I put it all down on paper, and I sat with it for a few weeks because I was like, I get it. I've got to put it to video. I've got to create some art around this book to kind of identify with this. And I didn't really do much after that. I kind of sat on it again for a few weeks. And then and then I felt the sudden urge to go ahead and work on it. And so I said, OK. So I went out and worked on it. The last stage of it was because I got it over to my one of my my editing friend, and he went to edit it down and everything. And then all I had to do was post it on medium.com as an article and I was like I'm gonna post this up and post this up post this up and it took me again another few weeks to just push myself to post it. But I said I'm going to go ahead and post it, I'm going to do it. And then I finally got around to it, finally got around to it, not even thinking about when just I sat down in the middle of the night and I ended up uploading it to medium.com on my birthday. And I didn't even realize it was my birthday that morning, which was May 6. So I uploaded this, you know, article about this character and how it's very different from what we've been taught on that day, which is my birthday. And then later on than any in that day, I realized that that night was there was gonna be the full moon, which I guess was a flower moon or the blossom moon or something like that. That happened a few nights ago. Stephen [01:05:15] I'm not too sure what the what the names are, but it was a full moon and Libra.

Ferny [01:05:21] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so. And then. And so I realized that there was also gonna be a full moon that night and was like, oh, there's a full moon. And I'm like, OK, this is weird. I'm like because of the timing of the first initial impression to begin working on this project. And then the timing of when I actually uploaded it, unintentionally uploaded it on my birthday. And then there was a full moon that that that evening or that night. And so. What would that was already kind of significant for that, or would there be anything that would mean anything from that?

Stephen [01:05:51] I'll tell you, I'm looking at your chart right now. And any time I've overlaid the transits over it. And it's fascinating to see that when you had that stroke of inspiration on Easter there, Venus in the Sky, which inspired you, was transiting over where your Natal Mercury or was or where Mercury was when you were born, as well as your Senate because you have mercury in the first House. And so that's. And on the other hand, the mercury in the sky was in transit directly. And these are direct transits. Believe it or not, this is this is very profound. Mercury was transmitting directly over your Natal Venus in the sky. So they were actually influencing each other. And Mercury is about speech, writing and communication. Hmm. Venus is about beauty, beauty, connection, respect. And so basically, you can see that you got that stroke of inspiration. You got that that desire, that feeling, that joy or pleasure to write, to communicate, to, you know, connect with. Whoever I guess for your case, this would be, you know, like guides beings. Yeah. And then, believe it or not, when you upload it, that on your birthday. The sun was obviously over your natal sun. That's what makes it a birthday in the sky and the moon. You are actually born on the full moon in Libra, and the moon was directly over your natal moon. So this kind of. Returning sensation, the sense of like returning to your nature as a speaker, returning to your nature as a communicator was awakened. And as a teacher for sure as well, because your moon and Jupiter are conjunct. And so it kind of felt like this natural. I would I would say I mean, just at just planetary wise. This this is your inner nature kind of coming out, your inner nature. Being affirmed, kind of, I guess, exposed and shown to the world. And this and this beautiful Libra Ariesesque sort of way.

Ferny [01:08:15] Mm hmm. Well, you know, the story and I think I remember I thought because I thought it was interesting that that happened. And I went online and looked up Venus because as I go, what the heck? You know what? Well, first of all, what star is that? I had to take out my, you know, little app and, like, find what that star was. And there was. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's gorgeous here. And I looked up the significance of it and some people refer to it as like the morning star. The evening star. And then I think some people refer to Yeshua or Jesus, as I think it was the morning star or something like that. But then they also talked about the devil or Satan being also like the evening star. So there's some weird correlation with the naming and the Venus and the planet. And I thought, well, that's weird. But the story that I wrote was a human story about this character, which, you know, most people want to see it from this point of perspective that is shared on the Bible texts and so forth, where, you know, you have this miraculous being, you know better than everybody here. None of us are anything like this individual and we never will be. And, you know, you should, you know, pray that you don't ever go to hell. Like, that's pretty much it. And so the story I wrote was actually about a human character who went through a lot of very human struggles. He dealt with different types of emotional struggles and he dealt with finding himself, figuring out who the hell he was, what the hell he was meant to do here, and how he was connected to everything. And so it's brought down to a human level where he made very human mistakes. But he also brought about so much knowledge and awareness in ways because of those struggles. It's almost like the struggles actually helped him to allow those that knowledge and that that awareness and enlightenment to kind of expand beyond himself to the people around him. And people always know they want to just like when they talk about Jesus in the desert before, you know, he was on the cross and he was talking to Satan or Satan was trying to tempt him. I mean, like Satan was Jesus, like he was talking to himself, like he he was a dualistic person. Now he's just like the rest of us. He was a human being who had both positive and negative attributes. And he had a inner demon as well as an inner angel. And so he was struggling with his own own shit and. Yeah. Exactly. And so the story was about him being this dualistic being like we all are. And having the same potential that we we share with him. So that was the story. And so it was weird with the whole planets and the whole I was like, what is going on here? This is all weird. I didn't. And I was like telling it, you know what? Where did they go with all that?

Stephen [01:10:59] Oh, I'll tell you it. Venus is that is the planet. It's it's masculine sign is Libra, which is the balancing scales. That's the symbol of Libra. And Venus really does represent it's it's all about equality and respect. But on a very human level, it's, you know, in Mercury. On the other hand, like I was saying, Venus going over your Mercury, Mercury it when Vedic astrology we look at these two planets is kind of on the human level there on the red Jasiek or energy exchange level, where we're kind of learning how to deal with our relationships with other people, our relationships with ourself, with our out, you know, are the polarity or the the higher self and the ego. All of these kind of dualities and finding balance between them. So I find that Venus being that planet, that planet where, you know, is it God? Is it Satan? Is it what is it? You know and it's the balance, the balancing act of life where we have to be, you know, alive in this form. We have to be here to learn these lessons. But also, we're so far beyond this and we need to balance the fact that we know that we're here now. And that's what a lot of Saturn is about. Like I've been saying, and that we're way beyond this, that we are one with everything we're connected into early in the whole. And I think Venus kind of brings that down to earth on a person of personal level where, you know, if you don't have. Respect for other people, you kind of tend to use other people and you think of them as objects. And, you know, like objectifying people, whereas Venus, the ultimate lesson of Venus is to realize that we're all wholly together and we all deserve respect even. People is, you know, distorted as as our president. So it's it's kind of. And it's hard to do that, you know, and it takes someone like the mentality of the Jesus like figure to be able to respect someone like our president. Right. But. And you can see this this balance and that like what you're talking about. And definitely Venus is there.

Ferny [01:13:17] Mm hmm. Well, for those of for those listeners who would like to have a one on one reading with you or a session with you, where you'll go over their chart and kind of explain to them what what they can look forward to or what they can try to avoid. How do people find you?

Stephen [01:13:35] They can check me out on my Web site. It's karmaastrology.com. I also am on Instagram and my handles karmaastrology and can feel free to send me an email. Get in contact me with me through either one of those channels. And I'm happy to talk to you about, you know, what I can do and what services I can provide for for whoever needs it.

Ferny [01:13:59] Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast. And you're going to be coming back. Right?

Stephen [01:14:04] But I would love to. This has been such a fun experience. It's really, really fun to talk to you.

Ferny [01:14:11] Well, we have an election coming up. And I think now that, you know, people to say, oh, my God, like, hee hee hee hee had them on there and he didn't even tell him about the election. So you're going to you're going to look into this and you're going to post it on social media. OK. Because I want people to head over to social media after they listen to this to see what you had to say about what we can expect or what it looks like for the upcoming election.

Stephen [01:14:33] Yeah, sounds good. Yeah, definitely. I'm happy to do a little exposé on it as well.

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